How to get only Child [!st Level child] terms of a specific TERM?
Hi,
I have used Terms.GetTerms() method, however it returns all the term which matches the term name. i.e. it alsoo returns the grandchildren.
I just need to find if a specific term exists below any particluar term [i need this below any TERM and not TERM SET].
I tried this Term.Terms["TermNameToSearch"], however i am not able to check when it returns null. [This returns me only child terms but i need to check when it returns null......bcoz whenever it returns null, it gives error sayin "Some Out of index error"]
Regards,
Ketan Gandhi.
Regards, Ketan Gandhi
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Guys,
Its so funny...My question contains the answer to my question :):)
TermCollection termColl = Term.Terms["TermNameToSearch"];
if(termColl.Count > 0 && termColl != null)
{
//THIS COLLECTION CONTAINS THE CHILD NODES ONLY...SO DOO WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH THEM
}
Regards,
Ketan Gandhi.
Regards, Ketan Gandhi
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SQL reload
hello
SQL 2005 and 2008 on VL when reloading does not promp me from a license key ... is that correct?
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looking for a book on SQL Server 2008 Administration? http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067233044X looking for a book on SQL Server 2008 Full-Text Search? http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Full-Text-Search-Server-2008/dp/1430215941
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Image show in griedView
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hello ,
from above path you can access the images using
"/_layouts/images/youimage.jpg"
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Try change Image button to Image . like this:
<img id='img' border='0' alt='Edit' title='Edit' src='~/_layouts/images/edit_button.gif' />
Also try Image button as follows:
<asp:Image ID="Image1" runat="server" Width="100" Height="150" ImageUrl=<%#Eval("ImageURL") %> />
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Hello ,
can you please try by using Bind
ImageUrl='<%# Bind("ImageUrlPath") %>'
<asp:ImageButton ID="ImageButton1" runat="server" ImageUrl='<%# Bind("ImageUrlPath") %>' /> Hiren Patel | Please click "Propose As Answer" if this post solves your problem or "Vote As Helpful" if this post has been useful to you.
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i have created one visual webpart as per your requirement
my .ascx code for the gridview and button are
<asp:Button ID="btnClcik" Text="Click" runat="server" onclick="btnClcik_Click" /> <asp:GridView ID="GridView1" runat="server" EnableModelValidation="True"> <Columns> <asp:TemplateField> <ItemTemplate> <asp:ImageButton ID="ImageButton1" runat="server" ImageUrl='<%# Bind("ImageUrlPath") %>' /> </ItemTemplate> </asp:TemplateField> </Columns> </asp:GridView> and my code behind is
using System; using System.Web.UI; using System.Web.UI.WebControls; using System.Web.UI.WebControls.WebParts; using System.Data; namespace Testing.VisualWebPart2 { public partial class VisualWebPart2UserControl : UserControl { protected void Page_Load(object sender, EventArgs e) { } public void BindData() { DataTable dt = new DataTable(); dt.Columns.Add("ImageUrlPath"); DataRow row1 = dt.NewRow(); row1["ImageUrlPath"] = "/_layouts/images/actionssettings.gif"; dt.Rows.Add(row1); DataRow row2 = dt.NewRow(); row2["ImageUrlPath"] = "/_layouts/images/ALLMTGS.gif"; dt.Rows.Add(row2); GridView1.DataSource = dt; GridView1.DataBind(); } protected void btnClcik_Click(object sender, EventArgs e) { BindData(); } } } its working fine for me
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protected void Page_Load(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
DataColumn dcMember = new DataColumn("Member");
DataColumn dcUnit = new DataColumn("Unit");
DataColumn dcEmail = new DataColumn("Email");
DataColumn dcGroupName = new DataColumn("GroupName");
DataColumn dcImageUrl = new DataColumn("ImageUrl");
DataColumn dcDescription = new DataColumn("Description");
dcMember.DataType = typeof(string);
dcUnit.DataType = typeof(string);
dcEmail.DataType = typeof(string);
dcGroupName.DataType = typeof(string);
dcImageUrl.DataType = typeof(string);
dcDescription.DataType = typeof(string);
//Add new cloumn to datatable
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcMember);
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcUnit);
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcEmail);
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcGroupName);
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcImageUrl);
dtgroups.Columns.Add(dcDescription);
DataRow dr = dtgroups.NewRow();
dr[0] = "Amit Anand";
dr[1] = "BIZP";
dr[2]="Amit_Anand14@infosys.com";
dr[3] = "Cricket";
dr["ImageUrl"] = "/_layouts/images/Cricket.jpg ";
dr[5] = "Cricket group";
DataRow dr1 = dtgroups.NewRow();
dr1[0] = "Kumar Amrit";
dr1[1] = "BIZP";
dr1[2] = "Kumar_Amrit@infosys.com";
dr1[3] = "Football";
dr1["ImageUrl"] = "Football.jpeg";
dr1[5] = "Football group";
dtgroups.Rows.Add(dr);
dtgroups.Rows.Add(dr1);
gvGroupNetworkUpdates.DataSource = dtgroups;
gvGroupNetworkUpdates.DataBind();
}
<asp:ImageButton ID="imgGroup" runat="server" ImageUrl='<%# Eval("ImageUrl") %>' Style="visibility: hidden" />
I have written that code.Still I didnt get. Can u tell me where should i have to put that image? Is there any other place in which I have to put?
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why u have used the visibility:hidden style
remove it from the
<asp:ImageButton ID="imgGroup" runat="server" ImageUrl='<%# Eval("ImageUrl") %>'/>
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- Edited by Hiren.j.Patel Monday, July 23, 2012 11:29 AM
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so have you tried after removing the style, remove the javascript temporary
and try again by removing both style and javascript.
also try with
<asp:ImageButton ID="imgGroup" runat="server" ImageUrl='<%# Bind("ImageUrl") %>' />
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should i Make new database after Financial year ?
I want to know should i Make new database after Financial year or just create new session in the current database .
Please tell me with reasons.
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Best Regards,Uri Dimant SQL Server MVP,http://sqlblog.com/blogs/uri_dimant/
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Way more requirements needed to answer this question.
What is a session? How much overlap is there? What kind of database? Reporting requirements? On day1 of financial year is a perfectly empty database (other than some configuration) what people want? Is the database just capturing information for archival, or is it used for some other reason? What overlap is there between years, like how long to close out the year?
Louis
Without good requirements, my advice is only guesses. Please don't hold it against me if my answer answers my interpretation of your questions.
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Hi
First make your question clear in what context you require it. :)
what type of RDBMS you are using ?
But sofar no relation is exist to make database with Financial year.
BYe
Ahsan Kabir
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Hi,
It would depend what type of separation you require and what version of SQL you have. If you are using Enterprise, then you dont really need a new database you can use partitioning and filegroups to separate the database without having multiple databases to manage. Incorporate this to use slower storage for the older partitions and compression and you will be able to keep your data in one place making security and manageability easier.
Good Luck!
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Updated Windows Phone Add-in
Updated Windows Phone Add-In is live now.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/6c2f98d5-6fcf-4e1d-b8b1-cde62ea1a94a
If you have any feedback please start a new thread.
Grey
- Edited by Still Grey Monday, July 23, 2012 12:16 PM
moving publisher application 2003 from old laptop on windows xp to new laptop
moving publisher application 2003 from old laptop on windows xp to new laptop
- Moved by Max Meng Monday, July 23, 2012 9:13 AM Off-Topic (End-User questions) (From:Office IT Pro General Discussions)
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For end-user question about Microsoft Office, please visit the forums at Microsoft Answers:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_install
Also, please make the question more clear, so the other community members would be able to help.
Max Meng
TechNet Community Support
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This question should be asked in the Office Answers Forum at http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum.
Anyway, the only way to move Office Publisher 2003 to your new PC is installing it.
Bye.
Luigi Bruno
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C# is a scriping language!
October 2011 CTP:http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/roslyn/thread/2341e1f5-ce2e-48ff-93d6-bdd1bdbabd81
Ask Brian?
Also known as the blogger with the noisiest page on the Internet. Congratulations Anoop.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Edited by jrv Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:44 PM
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Very cool! The reason why I initially hated PowerShell was because I got so much done in VBScript and I thought the logical successor to that would be a VB.NET scripting language.
Do you think they will roll some of this into a future version of PowerShell?
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Very cool! The reason why I initially hated PowerShell was because I got so much done in VBScript and I thought the logical successor to that would be a VB.NET scripting language.
Do you think they will roll some of this into a future version of PowerShell?
What is wrong with running it right now. The syntax is not yet complete but now is a good time to get started learning how to use it.
Actually this is going to be more for programmers to use as they are deft with C# in the Net Framework. This allows them to port utility code over more easily.
Of course you realize that you can run VB.Net code and VBScript code in PowerShell currently. Just load the script control or run the built-in compiler and go.
The difficulty is that C# and VB.Net take significant technical expertise. I do not see admins building the code although many developers may deliver utilities that can run in a C# interpreter.
An interpreter could also be a good starting place for learning C#. Unfortuanately could teach bad habits due to the ability to run interactively.
With classic C# it is necessary to think ahead of what you do. You need to start with a model. Interactive systems tend to undermine the ability to learn that lesson.
Anyway I posted it because I suspected that some here might be interested in giving it a try. I still haven't taken time to load it. I alsready write C# with POwerSHell but would like to see how they have implemented this interepreter.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I know how to call the .NET libraries with PowerShell but I've never seen how to actually write VB.NET or C#.NET in PowerShell. Can you show me some examples on how to do this?
Here is an old example that I did in PowerShell V1 and updated for V2. It demos how to call a VB.NET code block when loaded as a separate fie. This was initially done to be able to get a list of open files on remote shares using the Win32 NetAPI calls.
http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Enumerate-OPen-Files-on-feb939f7
It does not work on The first CTP of PowerShell V3 but may work on the current version. I will have to test it one day.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Here is a second one calling C#.
http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Demo-of-calling-C-and-6ef0cd2b
If you have specific questionsabout this please start a new topic as this code and question is not related to this topic.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Taxonomy Sharepoint
I have a sharepoint document library Support and it has column names Tite,rollno,name and please tell me what will be the taxonomy column names for this library.
Support Library
Filed names Title Rollno Name
Taxonomy ???????????????
Blitz
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it is up to you dude.
It really depends what is going to be inside this taxonomy.
if you want to go for "common naming" you could go for category or classification :D
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please share me some example.
TIA.
Blitz
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Hi sree
If you want a sample how to add a taxonomy field, here is how to create one programmatically; first connect to your Term store, you need to access four specific objects, session, store, group and termset:
using (SPSite siteCollection = new SPSite(<your SP-Site>))
{ TaxonomySession taxonomySession = new TaxonomySession(siteCollection); TermStore termStore = taxonomySession.TermStores[0]; Group termGroup = termStore.Groups["Locations"]; TermSet termSet = termGroup.TermSets["United States Geography"]; }
Then in your code, create the column (here, named "Location Tag") using field type TaxonomyFieldType and set the managed metadata store instance and the term set id:
TaxonomyField taxonomyField = <yourlist>.Fields.CreateNewField("TaxonomyFieldType", "Location Tag") as TaxonomyField; taxonomyField.SspId = termStore.Id; taxonomyField.TermSetId = termSet.Id; taxonomyField.AllowMultipleValues = true; <your list>.Fields.Add(taxonomyField); <your list>.Update(); But, as previously mentioned, what you decide to use in your Taxonomy is your own choice.
Kind Regards Bjoern
Blog
- Edited by Bjoern H Rapp Monday, July 23, 2012 8:44 AM
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ssdfaceopen
nareshk banker
- Changed type Juke Chou Sunday, August 5, 2012 2:10 PM
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i can't find drive h:\ in my windows 7 ultimare edition.so want to ready boost may do by me.
nareshk banker
nareshk banker
- Edited by NARESHK BANKER Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:03 AM
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Carey Frisch
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Hi,
As Carey says, please clarify your question.
Juke Chou
TechNet Community Support
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Printing Bill in C#
- Moved by RobinDotNet Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:08 AM off-topic (From:ClickOnce and Setup & Deployment Projects)
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Phil Wilson
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Hi hassyam
I am also doing same application. Can you give me the link for the code project
Thanks & Regards
Justin Diraviam
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AHCI Fails in Windows Server 2012
Hi
I am experimenting with Windows Server 2012 for a University Project (Digimocloud)
I am using SSDs which prefer AHCI connections rather than IDE drivers. However, when I attempt to modify the registry, the value of the STOREAHCI is already 0, indicating that the Correct drivers are installed. Despite this, the OS Fails to load when the BIOS is in AHCI mode: i.e. the OS only works in IDE Mode...this did not effect my other Windows Server 2008 installation on the same drive, since this works equally well in IDE or AHCI mode....could you please shed some light on the matter?
Thanks
Michael Camiller
- Changed type Vincent Hu Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:04 AM
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Hi,
When you installed Windows Server 2012 on the SSD, did you set AHCI or IDE in BIOS?
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Yes, but when I did that, the CD Drive was not found...therefore I could not install...therefore I had to try to enable the drivers through regedit but to no avail...
Thanks
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Mi
- Changed type Nicholas Li Monday, July 30, 2012 3:21 AM
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Este es el foro de Inglés. No espere que este responda en otros idiomas.
This is English forum. Do not expect here answer in other languages.
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Reply:
Hi,
Due to here is a English forum, it is appreciated that if you can special the question in English; if you prefer to ask the question in Portuguese, it is also recommended that you go to our Portuguese forum for help:
Windows Client Fórum
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/pt-BR/category/windowsclient
Thanks for your understanding and hope the issue will be resolved soon!
Regards.
Jeremy Wu
TechNet Community Support
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f11 on wireless desktop 2000
Hi,
I want to know how can I use f11 on wireless desktop 2000 on windows 7?
I can't found where is F LOCK function key accounting Support page
Thank you very much
Francis SZE
- Edited by fsze88ATmeDOTcom Friday, July 20, 2012 2:04 AM
- Changed type Niki Han Friday, August 3, 2012 9:04 AM
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The knowledge base article says: If you have F lock function, the you may have problems described in symptoms. If you have keyboard without F LOCK, then it is not the case described in knowledge base article.
F11: Saves the file in the active window.
More info on F - LOCK is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Lock
Rgds
Milos
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HI,
I open the file C:\Program Files\Microsoft IntelliType Pro\mskey.exe
On the screen capture, it said F LOCK is unknown. So there is a way to set F LOCK to be ON?
Anyone have this idea?
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Hi,
Regarding Microsoft hardware configuration issue, I suggest you post to here.
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/support
Niki Han
TechNet Community Support
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OSD Checklists
Hello,
I am in the beginning stages of planing our migration from XP to WIN 7. I completed testing and would like to initiate deployment. does anyone have can anyone recommend a template or checklist they used when they migrated from one OS to another.
thank you!
Jen
Jen Stevens
- Changed type Nicholas Li Friday, July 27, 2012 8:59 AM
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Hi,
It seems this is related to SCCM; since it is SCE Forum here, if it is a SCCM issue, it is recommended that you go to the corresponding forum:
System Center Configuration Manager Forums
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/configurationmanager/
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Hope this issue will be resolved soon!
Nicholas Li
TechNet Community Support
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Communicator 2007 R2 RTL/Bidi Support
Hell guys!
I'm using communicator at work and sometimes we type Hebrew and English mixed together, in that cases you can't read the sentence because it all mixed up.
Any fix for that issue? (Should also happen in Arabic\Farsi)
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani.
Yaron Shahrabani – Linux user, using some MS products at work
Unit Test Project for SharePoint Solutions
Hi All,
I would like to create the Unit Test Project for SharePoint Project . Please let me know if anybody create the same.
Thanks,
Senthil
Reply:
Hello,
Refer The Following Link:-
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg599006.aspx
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vststest/thread/be3a2b81-881d-421d-9ec7-4a9ea437d4e4/
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/taj/archive/2011/09/17/sharepoint-visual-studio-unit-tests-and-code-coverage.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sharepointdev/archive/2011/06/29/resources-for-creating-unit-tests-for-sharepoint-projects.aspx
Hope this will be help you,
Regards,
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how to stop the local instance using Azure Storage Emulator....
Hi,
I just converted to June2012 from Nov2011 Azure Development tools... While i starting my application its automatically starts initializing Azure storage Emulator... I dont want to use azure storage emulator how to stop this...
bin hex
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Hi Bin,
You can manually stop it if you dont need the storage emulator.In the notification area you will find the azure logo.
Right Click on the logo will give you options to view and to stop emulators. you can stop using " stop storage emulator option". It is shown below.
Also please make sure, you down use storage emulator for storing data as well as for azure diagonistics.
Regards,
Vijay.
I hope it helps!! If you found this post useful, Please "Mark as answer" or "Vote as Helpful". Thanks! VIJAY.
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Vijay,
Even if i shutdown the storage emulator, its automatically starts when running the Cloud App...
I changed the startup of Storage emulator in cloud app properties, even though it starting automatically...
bin hex
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Hi,
In the Windows Azure project properties under the Development tab you can tell not to start the emulator.
This also works in VS2010.
Marcel
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Hi Meijer,
I did that, Even though the storage emulator is starting...
bin hex
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Poor Metro app design / implementation
- Edited by questioning_this Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:00 AM
- Changed type Niki HanModerator Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:55 AM
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Hi,
all Metro Apps are only in preview. Please wait for full functionality to RTM.
You can edit volume in right bar - in settings.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties or guarantees, and confers no rights.
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Thanks for the reply.
In all the years I've used Windows I've never had an audio application that's relied on the operating system volume control to control the volume. They have always had their own volume control, easily accesible.
I notice there was no reply from anyone at Microsoft to the lack of error reporting...
Windows 8 is an ill concieved product, poorly executed. The Windows Surface tablets will be a disaster as well. If you don't mention to people they can't run their existing programs on RT (and make it VERY clear) you'll be in a heap of trouble. The Intel tablets will be so expensive that no-one will buy them.
Sinofsky's poor demo shows how flaky the whole operating system is. He even hid the tablet display from the camera after the first Surface crash!
I think I'll give Windows 8 a miss and I certainly won't be recommending it to anyone else...
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Minus the whole complaining about windows 8, I'm actually enjoying the Metro style, but as you brought up above, I have the same issue. Being unable to edit the volume of the Music and Video apps is a key feature that needs to be implemented ASAP.
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Why the Start Menu's Absence is Irrelevant
There has been a few people upset about the missing start menu and how it's going to kill productive or even actually kill off Windows. I've tried to share my opinions as to why I don't agree and that I find the new Windows 8 start screen to do exactly what we need it to do. Here is a quote from the article. Please click the link below to continue reading.
"However, I believe your opinion should be formed by facts, not irrational rhetoric parroted online by so-called power users and companies that want to sell you third-party programs. I can say without a doubt that many people who oppose the start menu's removal haven't even used Windows 8, yet they don't hesitate to inform you about Metro's inadequacies by listing all the features it's supposedly missing. The truth is, functionally speaking, Metro is basically identical to the Start menu." - http://www.techspot.com/article/554-windows-8-start-menu-is-irrelevant/
- Edited by Bobby J Cannon Friday, July 20, 2012 1:15 PM
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Metro is basically identical to the Start menu.
Bobby, that's simply nonsense
-10 to your post, at least!
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It is not true."Metro is basically identical to the Start menú"
In W7 we can see last and pinned files, ¿we can see this in metro? NO.
In W7 we can search an application and press enter. In Metro we can do the same, but if the program have got two interfaces (metro + desktop) (like IE10) IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO OPEN DIRECTLY ON DESKTOP, spending time.
- Edited by BlackCid Friday, July 20, 2012 7:02 PM
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Bobby, that's simply nonsense
-10 to your post, at least!
I agree.
We should not have to resort to third party tools or complicated workarounds to make it user friendly.
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I find the new Windows 8 start screen to do exactly what we need it to do
We? Are you speaking for laypeople here? Because you're not speaking for me.
But I don't mind the Start screen. There's a very nice free alternative available, so I just don't use it, and I have plenty of disk space to hold whatever Microsoft puts in for the simpler users.
-Noel
| Detailed how-to in my eBooks: | Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options |
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Metro UI is a cock up..
I have tried and tried and tried and tried to make it user friendly for me. FAIL!
(I am not ranting that the start menu is the solution, just that Metro SUCKS!)
Things that have me pissed off ATM
1. HUGE @$$ ICONS!
2. To close a metro app without a x button, must press ALT+F4.. .....to #3 on list..
3. if I dont, the damn app stays in my ALT+TAB list!!!
4. Steps to access other programs on machine......... Press START, no other way, cant mouse to it from desktop.. requires reaching for kb when cruising with mouse.. have to left click, click on all apps, CLICK AGAIN TO SELECT IT so I can use the scroll wheel, then find my app. What Metro has done, for the sake of my simplicity is clutter the hell out of my desktop so I can access my fav apps in a few clicks... Thank god they haven't stripped out the hidden quick-launch yet!
5. To pin something to the Metro start screen have to select it, then move to pin. When you're using a 2560x1600 monitor, thats a REAL PAIN IN THE @$$ to mouse all the way back over to the left hand side of the screen.. what the hell ever went wrong with being able to right click items?! Were not artarded Apple users here... we have more than 1 mouse button...
6.The All apps portion is not well organized!!!!! If it had as many apps as I have installed on my REAL computer it would be a complete disaster, the eye would search for an eternity to find anything it was looking for.
7. Settings and other like menus take up the WHOLE 2560x1600 Screen!!!!!!!! What the hell?! Only way out I have found are to have hand on keyboard to press the windows key! If you don't ALT+ F4 it.. its chillin in your ALT+TAB list!!!! Have to be a bit geeky to know ALT+TAB is there to get out of it?! Top it off, its not on the start bar on the desktop, have to know about alt-tab to get back to it quickly.
8. Since settings and other like screens take up the full screen, can't have Firefox open over the top to follow directions on a web page.
Give me a few more days and I'm sure I could come up with countless more STUPID changes.
MS, if this is your idea of an OS for those of use who have been using a computer for the last 20 years, you are morons. You may expand your market to my grandmother, but you are going to alienate those of us who have actually used a computer before.
The fact that MS is deliberately stripping the old Start Menu, (something only a geek would know how to re-enable) from the OS shows how blindly stupid they are pushing this Gerber baby food UI. I want the real steak, potatoes and veggies UI.
W8 has turned my media PC's desktop, start bar and quick launch into a mess. My 1 week self forced trial period will be up in a few days and its W7 ultimate being imaged back to the SSD. I am most defiantly going to keep my $39 and not upgrade. Now I know why the upgrade is so cheap, because someone at MS has figured out "Oh crap! People are going to hate our new OS, maybe we can dupe coin out of them if we make the upgrade price reasonably cheap!"- Edited by -EVRE- Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:57 AM
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The part that burns me the most, is the constant reliance on the keyboard for:
Windows Key, Every time you go for an app thats not pinned to the start bar or placed in the 'hidden' Quick-launch.
Alt+F4 to close a damn metro app... that dominates a 30" 2560x1600 monitor
Alt+tab to get back to a metro app quickly
It also appears that Win7 is now abandon ware, along with a handful of other apps Like VPC 2007.
MS's decision to remove gadgets from vista and 7 (a security patch I will not install!) instead of fixing a root problem shows they don't give a rats butt about usability and features of the desktop or win7.
- Edited by -EVRE- Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:03 AM
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That's kind of the point, ssddsquare... The methods to manipulate the Metro environment (in this case to close it) are SECRET and not easily discoverable. Most of the Metro controls seem to have been added as an afterthought.
Let's not even begin to think about where ad-supported software is going to put its ads (hint, think "if you miss with the App Close gesture, you've just bought a Ginsu knife set").
-Noel
| Detailed how-to in my eBooks: | Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options |
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SECRET and not easily discoverable
I'd like to expand on this for a moment...
From a tablet perspective, I bought my technophobic wife an iPad 8 months ago. That device has one big button on it, which you press to "minimize" the current app (or double-press to bring up something like an Alt-Tab list).
My wife to this day still sometimes asks me, "How do I get rid of this?"
"Press the button".
She still sometimes doesn't remember to press it. And double-press? Give me a break. She doesn't even TRY to retain that information.
Microsoft seems to think that everyone is just going to become trained to do all the secret gestures and hover in all the secret places from muscle memory to use their WinRT/Metro tablet.
Hah.
-Noel
| Detailed how-to in my eBooks: | Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options |
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SECRET and not easily discoverable
Google "windows 8 close metro app", 5.85 million results in .29 seconds
Google "windows 8 shutdown", 18.1 million results in .14 seconds
Google "windows 8 touch gestures", 4.35 million results in .17 seconds
I know that's not what you mean by easily discoverable but it's no secret. There is a learning curve with Windows 8 or any computing device and some people will have trouble with anything you put in front of them. Those very same people might be geniuses in other fields.
If you look at the iPad you'll see many apps that don't adhere to any kind of standard with respect to touch input. You just poke around and figure out how it works. Many millions of people with very little computer knowledge figure this out and become proficient with no assistance. The people that use Windows 8 tablets will learn the basic gestures and how to navigate the system too.
I'm not discounting the legitimate complaints above about Metro with large screens, or the Start Screen, but those have been debated ad nauseum. There is plenty information available with a quick search that addresses a lot of these complaints without a lot of effort. Of course many people will find these issues to be unresolvable or unworkable. Fortunately there are many decent alternatives for them, including Windows 7.
- Edited by dgobe Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:42 PM
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I don't know if you have actual experience using Google, dgobe, but I'd suggest Googling Purple dog... You will see 10.7 million results in 0.21 seconds. So by your "logic", the way to close a Metro app is still roughly as hard as to find as a purple dog.
And I wonder whether a brand new Windows 8 user will even be able to find Google to use it. Perhaps he'll have an iPhone on hand to save him. This is only half a joke - I've sold as many Windows books through the iBooks store as other channels.
I get the impression that people who like stuff that's not obvious how to use are hoping to be able to flaunt some advantage over their fellow man, possibly in hopes of ridiculing him... "Oh, you don't know how to close an app? LOL, what a borkzoid." Yessiree, this is exactly the kind of thing we want driving operating system development.
You make the assumption that people are going to just buy a Windows 8 tablet then spend the time to "figure out how it works". There will be some, for sure, but in general when you're late to the party you should not be under-dressed. First impressions are going to be important, and Windows 8 does not make a good one.
Have you noticed any patterns here in the forums? Initially most folks appear to HATE Windows 8. Then, the ones who take the time to use it for a while (usually MONTHS) finally decide that they can actually get used to the differences (overcoming resistance to change), configure the things they want (discovery of advanced features, which the general public probably won't do), and augment it with downloadable tools that make the experience more smooth. Will a long-term ability to tolerate Windows 8 be enough to make the product succeed?
-Noel
| Detailed how-to in my eBooks: | Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options |
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I don't know if you have actual experience using Google, dgobe, but I'd suggest Googling Purple dog... You will see 10.7 million results in 0.21 seconds. So by your "logic", the way to close a Metro app is still roughly as hard as to find as a purple dog.
Yes I do. I think you need to use it to look up "strawman argument".
I agree 100% with your last paragraph though. The success of Windows 8 is by no means assured in my mind.
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I forgot to put a smiley after that first sentence, but I hope you know that was a light-hearted poke. I concede that my use of the term "SECRET" was a bit extreme.
-Noel
| Detailed how-to in my eBooks: | Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options |
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You could always Bing it! :-)
Yeah, everyone knows MS's documentation is more of an outline. Community support does count for something as most open source users would agree....and you have the largest population of people with technical expertise when it comes to Microsoft products. Just sayin'.
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