Tuesday, February 22, 2022

The Sinofsky factor

The Sinofsky factor

Good piece about the man behind W8:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57536905-75/steven-sinofsky-microsofts-controversial-mr-windows-8/

And an explanation why it is sadly the way it is:

CNET interviewed 15 current and former Microsoft executives and executives at companies that partner with Microsoft, all of whom have worked directly with Sinofsky. Most requested anonymity because they feared potential repercussions. They paint a picture of an executive who is incredibly smart and passionately driven to ship quality software on time. But some also say Sinofsky can create a toxic work environment that has chased talented employees away from a maturing company that's in desperate need of innovative thinking.

Managers beneath Sinofsky say they had greater control over product development, working across groups with engineers, product managers, and software testers. Now [under Sinofsky], they say they feel more like cogs in the machinery, marching toward a final pre-determined goal, without the authority to shift course if they believe there's a more innovative approach to product design.

One former senior executive referred to the approach as "Soviet central-planning."

"You are told what to do now," said a current Microsoft executive. "It puts more directional control in the hands of the leadership."

But critics say breakthroughs that alter industry dynamics are rare on Sinofsky's watch. They argue it's because the tight control from the top squeezes out innovative thinking from below.

"What you end up with is a soulless product," said one former Windows executive.

Sinofsky has also made plain his distaste for skunkwork operations, where small teams are created outside of organizational structures to gin up entirely new concepts. Microsoft created just such an team in the late 1990s to work on video gaming technology that ultimately became its successful Xbox entertainment franchise, which generated $1.3 billion in operating income on $8.9 billion in revenue in the fiscal year that ended June 30. Microsoft also set up Pioneer Studios, a group that worked on an ill-fated tablet device that might have debuted about the same time as Apple's original iPad had it not run into staunch opposition from Sinofsky.


Reply:
The new Windows team (or the entirety of the new Microsoft) is only capable of creating consumer-oriented grandma-centric products. They have no vision of what the enterprise user needs, nor interested in listening. They don't understand their customers' requirements or they don't care as they know by pulling support for older versions, enterprises can be forced to upgrade. Sort of a check mate.

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The new Windows team (or the entirety of the new Microsoft) is only capable of creating consumer-oriented grandma-centric products. They have no vision of what the enterprise user needs, nor interested in listening. They don't understand their customers' requirements or they don't care as they know by pulling support for older versions, enterprises can be forced to upgrade. Sort of a check mate.

Agreed. Sinofsky sounds like a controlling overlord. A smart controlling overlord mind you - but a controlling overlord nontheless. Anyone who demands his programmers put the shutdown command in the settings menu, creates two independent task bars,  and thinks non-Windowable apps are the future for desktops has some real personal issues they need to work out IMO. Hopefully he'll get bumped off the Windows team after this - and someone with better design skills will lead the Windows 9 team - and listen to valuable feedback. It seems that ever since the Developers Preview, Microsoft has ignored every single piece of feedback that has been presented to them.Now we see why - Sinofsky's ego got in the way.

  • Edited by ABCFED Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:03 PM

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Agreed. Sinofsky sounds like a controlling overlord. A smart controlling overlord mind you - but a controlling overlord nontheless. Anyone who demands his programmers put the shutdown command in the settings menu, creates two independent task bars,  and thinks non-Windowable apps are the future for desktops has some real personal issues they need to work out IMO. Hopefully he'll get bumped off the Windows team after this


Those were prophetic words!

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Sinofsky is gone because of Win8, everything else is humbug

I know the W8 apologists want to believe it's because he was a bad team player or something but let's look at the fact:

If he was not really fired, but it was the plan all along, why not let him go Jim Allchin style? Directly at the W8 launch, saying he has accomplished all that he wanted to do, wishes the team well and is now going to Monaco playing poker the whole day after a work well done.

But that's not how it played out. He went three weeks after the W8 launch without much fanfare and "effective immediately". What does this say? Three weeks is enough time to project early sales. Let's remember that Windows "phones home" (activation, CEIP, Windows Update client access etc.) enough to monitor the number of installations. We know that Windows 7 had at start percent wise already more than five times the users W8 had at launch.

And the 4 million Windows 8 sale numbers Microsoft was touting? Well, Windows 95 (Ballmer's comparison, not mine) sold one million copies within four days! Sure, three million less than 8, but consider how few PCs and laptops existed at the time compared to today, and that effectively there was no online sale much less download sales. So W8's "4 million" number is not that great. And far more important:

Mountain Lion sold 3 Million within four days!

Mountain Lion has become Apple's fastest-selling OS X edition yet, racking up 3 million sales in its first four days of availability.

That thing sold almost as much as W8, despite Windows PCs being still far more dominant than Macs - Apple has 10-12% market share, while Windows based PCs still have almost 90%. If a niche system sells as much as the newest blockbuster of the market leader, you have a problem. THERE IS A REASON why Microsoft doesn't release Windows 8 and Surface sale numbers. And it's no secret that business users as a whole never liked W8 because of forced Metro. Ballmer probably thought they would change mind after release, but I guess after he got early data, it dawned upon him, that Sinofsky's hype conned him.

Sinofsky got the shaft because W8 happened, it's that simple.


Reply:
He was fired. Totally agree. Ballmer is hiding disastrous sales information from the Windows RT launch. Sinofsky may have helped fix Windows 7, but he's been a plague ever since.

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Reply:
Sinofsky may have helped fix Windows 7, but he's been a plague ever since.

Totally overrated. Aside from the new taskbar, what's the big deal with Windows 7? I can't find any. Can you? Be honest! Most performance issues and bugs of Vista were fixed in SP1 and 2 already. Vista's main problem by the time SP1 and drivers were available was the tarnished image, not the system as such. Unlike W8, where the design decisions themselves, not bugs are the main problems. (which is far worse!)

Windows 7 is mostly just Vista with a new taskbar and with bug-fixes already baked in. Sinofsky got way too much credit for that. Just look what the man did when his "vision" got free-reign: He put a pretty much unmodified touch-first mobile interface on desktops.. on purpose. Coupled with _multiple_ update mechanisms and control panels. How's that better than the accidental bugs in Vista?! Also, by beginning of 2006, it seemed as if the Windows guys got their shit together anyway.


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Reply:

Comparing OS X sales numbers is not really useful. Apple practically gives it away. It's half the cost of even the drastically price reduced Windows 8. Because they own the platform, they can afford to do that.

Some people like 8; It may do all the things they need or like to do...however:

Objectively there is no denying that Windows 8 offers a much more restrictive model of how to get things done than Windows 7. The problem is not that it is different...it is less flexible. That is not subjective and can be backed up with empirical evidence. In my opinion Windows 8 stinks and there's little room to spin it any other way.


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Comparing OS X sales numbers is not really useful. Apple practically gives it away. It's half the cost of even the drastically price reduced Windows 8. Because they own the platform, they can afford to do that.

Well, and Microsoft isn't doing the same? As you've said, Win8 is the cheapest Windows of all time (in every sense of the word IMHO). ML might be still cheaper, but the difference between super cheap and mega cheap isn't that great.

OSX upgrades also were always on a magnitude cheaper than Windows ones, so ML is not far away from the usual price, unlike W8.


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given the low price of 8, I expect sales to be strong especially as it can upgrade xp and up

the problem is that windows has higher system requirements and while computers are cheaper than ever, in the mobile world lean is the way of the word right now


Huh? Windows 8 is actually pretty light on the hardware, lighter than Win7 as far as I can see. Pretty much every PC of the last 5-6 years can run it. So that's not the problem.

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I have 8 on a partition, and I am treating it like a tablet

earlier on, I use a pair of identical disks and tested every game I own, and cloned a fresh install for each test

8 is useless for games that I have, more than 1/2 have issues


What issues? That comes as a surprise to me! I absolutely don't like the new forced interface, but I thought Windows 8's compatibility with existing Windows programs must be very good, because internally it's just an improved Windows 7 with Metro bolted on.

And you say that's not the case? Wow!


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first game i tested was Halo 2 for windows vista, warned over compatibility

bioshock, same problem

Yeah, but did they run after the warning? My graphics card is an ATI X1950 Pro and I couldn't even install the latest driver for it on Win8 the last time I tested it the OS (got compatibility warning). After I tweaked the installer a bit with the compatibility tab, it ran and installed without issues.

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Funny you should mention Bioshock. I reinstalled the game since I had it on top of the pile, and didn't have any problems with it. The only reason I wanted to use it (besides being first on the pile) was I trying to test the usability of an Xbox 360 Controller on Win8. The Gamepad Properties wouldn't show a working Z axis, but online searching said that it would still work as it should within games, and they were right. Other than having to request a new activation code for the game (been 4 years since I installed it), I had no problems installing or running it (Acer Aspire V3-751 w/ Intel Pentium B950 2.1GHz 2-cores, Intel HD graphics (integrated)).


 SC Tom


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DAG MsExchangeRepl.exe high CPU Usage? Calling all DAG users!

Hi guys,

We're troublehsooting an Exchange 2010 DAG cluster performance issue. Basically on Monday we came in to find our mailbox servers both had saturated CPU's, all four vCPU's were at 100%. Users were reporting slow/unresponsive even failed Outlook connections and OWA issues. No single process appears to be responsible, there was a fairly even allocation between the following:

  • store.exe
  • msexchangerepl.exe
  • msftd.exe (content indexing)
  • vmtoolsd.exe (spikes, investigation under way with VMWare!)
  • AV services

We're running around 800 users per node (1600 in total) spread across 8 DB's, 4 active per node. Looking at all the whitepapers and sizing calculators our 4 vCPU, 32GB VM's should be more than capable of handling this number of users! The hosts had few other VM's running on it, and those that were running were doing very little.

One thing I'm unsure of, and perhaps I can get an understading from fellow DAG users, is that the replication service appears to be using a good chunk of CPU (around 30-40% average). This is also Privileged CPU time. So the replication service is using nearly 2 vCPU's worth of processor time - is this normal behaviour?

Thanks in advance,

Chris


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Reply:
Did you rebooted the server? Where is it happening, Active or Passive?
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Reply:

Both nodes, the databases are split 4/4 so no node is 'passive'

A reboot of the server has cured this issue 3 weeks ago, but it's come back.


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Reply:

Did you get anywhere with this? We are seeing the same thing on the DAG server we are replicating the main production DBS too.

I f we stop exchange services computer performs fine.  We have increased available CPUs and memory but it doesn't help.  We rolled back latest exchange updates but again no change.  Server is currently running SP1.


Chris


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Are you using SCOM? We found this is the cause... don't know why yet... still working with MS to try and figure it out. In the meantime SCOM health service disabled and scripts in-place to monitor the servers.

We're using SCOM 2007 R2 and had the Exchange 2010 Management Pack (most recent version). With or without the MP it still does it. 


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I could not save and delete run_history of MIIS

I use the script below and it worked fine.

But recently  I get the following error and script fail.

How could I solve the error ?

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Identity Integration Server\CMD\Delete_RunHistoryR2.vbs(66, 5) SWbemObjectEx: エラーです

' 定数宣言
Const CONVERT_TO_LOCAL_TIME = True
Const CONVERT_TO_UTC = False

' 変数宣言
Dim objArgs
Dim Service
Dim Server
Dim Runs
Dim Run
Dim TZ
Dim DeleteDate

' コマンドライン引数の解析
Set objArgs = WScript.Arguments

'For I = 0 to objArgs.Count - 1
'   WScript.Echo objArgs(I)
'Next

' コマンドライン引数(削除開始日付)の検証
If objArgs.Count = 0 Then
    NonParmMessage
    WScript.Quit(9)
End If
If not IsNumeric(objArgs(0)) Then
    NonParmMessage
    WScript.Quit(-1)
End If
IF objArgs(0) <= 5 Then
    NonParmMessage
    WScript.Quit(-1)
End If

DateToCheck = DateAdd("d", objArgs(0) * -1 -1 , Date)

' TimeZoneの取得
strComputer = "."
Set objSWbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:" & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colTimeZone = objSWbemServices.ExecQuery ("SELECT * FROM Win32_TimeZone")

For Each objTimeZone in colTimeZone
'    Wscript.Echo "Offset: "& objTimeZone.Bias
    Set TZ = objTimeZone
Next

' MIIS Serviceオブジェクトの取得
Set dtmStartDate = CreateObject("WbemScripting.SWbemDateTime")
Set Service = GetObject("winmgmts:root\MicrosoftIdentityIntegrationServer")

dtmStartDate.SetVarDate DateToCheck, CONVERT_TO_LOCAL_TIME
dtmRegular = dtmStartDate.GetVarDate()
dtmNew = DateAdd("n", - (Int(TZ.Bias)), dtmRegular)

DeleteDate = Year(dtmNew) & "-" & Right("00" & Month(dtmNew), 2) & "-" & Right( "00" & Day(dtmNew), 2) & " " & Right( "00" & Hour(dtmNew), 2) & ":" & Right( "00" & Minute(dtmNew), 2) & ":" & Right( "00" & Second(dtmNew), 2)

'WScript.Echo dtmRegular & vbcr
strQuery = "Select * From MIIS_RunHistory Where RunStartTime < '" & DeleteDate & "'"
'WScript.Echo strQuery & vbcr

Set Runs = Service.ExecQuery(strQuery)

For Each Run in Runs
'    WScript.Echo Run.MaName & vbcr
'    WScript.Echo "Run History: " & Run.Key & vbcr
    WScript.Echo Run.RunDetails()
Next

'MIIS Server オブジェクトの取得
Set Server = Service.Get("MIIS_Server.Name='MIIS_Server1'")
'処理開始宣言
WScript.Echo "Deleting Run Histories from " & DeleteDate & ".000"
'ClearRunsメソッドによるRun History の削除
WScript.Echo "Result: " & Server.ClearRuns(DeleteDate & ".000")

'Server オブジェクト開放
Set Server = Nothing

Sub NonParmMessage()
    WScript.Echo "パラメータ(何日より前のログを削除するか)を指定してください。"
    WScript.Echo "5(日)以下は指定できません。"
End Sub


Reply:

I read a lot of chinese characters, is it possible to replace them by English for a more readable message, further more i don't seen the error message anywhere (probably because it is in chinese :))


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Reply:
It seems somewhere on line 66 and char 5 what is the line in the script, is is Run.RunDetails()? if you leave it out, will the script then run correctly?

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And are you sure nothing has changed? I would go back to the point where the history is deleted and see where things go wrong.

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Reply:

Miyagiken,

Your co-worker might be referring to issue when a profile run didn't complete. So end_date field in SQL is still NULL. To delete the row out of the run history, this field must be populated. I would of course always advise making backups but you can update just that row that is in this state and then run script again, that will fix problem.

I believe the table is mms_run_history, but you should look for thisfield being NULL and update it. Again, do NOT do this until you hvae created a backup of the sync DB.


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Changing Properties of Calculated Measure through AMO

I am using a SSIS Package to hide certain calculated members(coming from a flat file) through AMO. I am using a VB script task to accomplish this. My package runs without errors but I am not able to see the changes when I browse the cube through BIDS or Management Studio. Measures still show up. Here is how my code looks like.

For Each measureGroup As Microsoft.AnalysisServices.MeasureGroup In oCube.MeasureGroups
                    For Each measure As Microsoft.AnalysisServices.Measure In measureGroup.Measures
                        Using reader As StreamReader = New StreamReader("C:\ML\MeasuresList.txt")
                            'Read one line from file - Loop through the measure list
                            Do
                                measureName = reader.ReadLine
                                If row(col.Ordinal).ToString() = measureName Then
                                    'MsgBox(measureName)
                                    measure.Visible = False
                                End If
                            Loop Until measureName Is Nothing
                        End Using
                    Next
                Next

            Next

Appreciate your help in adv.

Thanks.

FIM Suggestion Box: Allow Attribute Clearing Through Sync Rules

A common requirement is a need to clear or actually delete an attribute using an outbound sync rule. An example is during off-boarding where some cleanup of the AD objects is required, such as, removing the manager attribute. The null() function is essentially a "no op" within the function evaluator and does not clear an attribute, however, is useful for other reasons to ignore the else in an IIF clause.

A workaround has been to create a new attribute in the FIM schema called nullDN, bind it to the person object, add it through the Metaverse Designer to the person object in the old ILM UI, and flow nullDN to manager in the off-boarding sync rule in FIM. During an export to AD, the manager attribute is actually cleared. Attributes would be required for each attribute type for this workaround...nullDN, nullString, nullInteger. Either something similar or a new function in the sync rule function evaluator would be useful.

Another function for the evaluator as a nice to have would be a Now() function that we could use as a timestamp on any custom attributes. There is a DateTimeFormat function to reformat existing date values during synchronization, however, it would be useful to set the existing date during an outbound flow that could be picked up by subsequent processes.

 


Reply:

I completely agree.  I am trying to flow the values for the AD attribute msNPAllowDialin.  It is boolean and either true,false or not set in AD.  Not Set is neither true nor false and allows access to be granted via RAS policy.  I have created a rules extension to import this data, but I have yet to find a way to export the <not set> cleared value.  Deleting the csentry just has it leave what ever is set in AD and no longer updates the attribute.  if you change it from Allow to not set in FIM, then in AD the value will remain Allow.

There have been other attributes I've needed to do this on as well.  Manager is a great example.  When a user is terminated we to remove the manager and today have to do that via powershell custom activity.


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I handle the "sometimes null" rule in classic attribute flows by allowing the export of nulls, and figuring out the state in extension code, throwing DeclineMappingException whenever the data do not prescribe null.  I.e., sometimes I don't know what the value is supposed to be, but can't authoritatively delete whatever is already there.

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windows 8

ho installato Windows 8,no si collega la stampante HP Photosmart B110a.errore  rilevato amd radeon hd 7400m series (microsoft corporation - wddm v1.20) Il dispositivo ha riportato un problema ed è stato interrotto. (Codice 43)

cosa fare????

grazie

  • Changed type Niki Han Monday, November 19, 2012 5:57 AM

Reply:

ho installato Windows 8,no si collega la stampante HP Photosmart B110a.errore  rilevato amd radeon hd 7400m series (microsoft corporation - wddm v1.20) Il dispositivo ha riportato un problema ed è stato interrotto. (Codice 43)

cosa fare????

grazie


You're here in the English forums. Always ask questions in English here.

Please change the language:

http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx

and ask in your native language forums. Thanks for understanding this.

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How to access my Apple Time Capsule Internal HDD out of my home network?

Recently I bought an Apple Time Capsule and has successfully connected to the wireless and also the HDD if I am at home using my own network. I am using a windows XP laptop..

I read that it is possible to access my hard disk contents while I am in the office or anywhere out of my home network.. can someone please assist on the procedure required to make this possible? Thanks a lot!


Reply:

The appropriate place to ask question about an Apple Time Capsule is on an Apple website or forum:

http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/

http://www.apple.com/support/airport/

also includes Tiem Capsule:  http://www.apple.com/support/airport/timecapsule/

Microsoft does not sell or support the Apple Time Capsule.


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tr/atraps.gen Virus not detected by Forefront End Point Protection

Hi,

Microsoft Forefront Endpoint Protection 2010 is not able to detect tr/atraps.gen virus.

All though i have the latest definations. Still i its not able to detect this virus.

Any updates?


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Reply:

Hi,

I would submit a sample here: https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Submission/Submit.aspx or call Microsoft support if you have an urgent matter.

Regards,
jörgen


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Problems with exchange sync in windows 8 rx

I was referred to this forum from the Surface forum.

The following are serious problems with Windows 8 Rx on the Surface:

  Overall:

      I like the Surface and the Windows 8 Rx Gui design, but for business usage the Surface with Windows Rx is not a managable (central configuration, remote wipe, duplication of emal addresses, etc..) computer and for personal usage it failes to support pop3 accounst.  These are serious flaws ith the software implementation.

  Email issues:

      The requirement to have a "Microsoft Account" for activation of the messaging app makes the surface security risk for a business computer.  I understand the requirment for an email address asssociated with the surface, but not specifically a "Microsoft Account".  The messaging, mail, people, and calendar apps require an email, but why a "Microsoft Account"?  By forcing a business to create duplicate "Microsoft Accounts" for every user and every surface, Microsft is forcing a business to increase its security footprint on the internet--this is a big administrative problem for a small business.  Internet accounts and passwords require the same security administration as user names and passwords as Windows domains--it becomes a big administrative burden to securely maintain and synchronize lists with this sort of information.

   The mail and calendar apps synchronize subfolders in an exchange account.  The people app does not.  Placing a subfolder in the user's  contact folder is a supported method of synchronizing Public Folders  Contacts on cell phones via active sync.  This allows a business to have a distinct company wide contact list on a remote device.  The fact that the people app does not synchronize exchange contract subfolders prohibits a business from synchronizing public folder/company wide contacts on the Windows Rx Surface.  ( Please, there is still a need for busness need for synchronizing company wide contact and calendar information;  the problem appears to be in the Windows 8 Rx Surface People's app synchronization with Exchange Contact subfolders--the contact subfolder synchronization takes place properly with the iPad;  and finally, the calendar app on the Windows 8 Rx Surface does synchronize subfolders from the exchange account ).  How can I synchronize distinct contact subfolders to the people apps from an exchange e-mail account? Alternatively, can I directly synchronize an Exchange Public Folder with a people account on the Windows 8 Rx Surface? 

 The people app does not allow for viewing by groups within an account.  A very traditional method to reduce your the search space.  How do I filter contacts by groups in the people apps when using an exchange mail account?

That is it for now.  I would appreciate any help that can be provide.

Thank you

  • Changed type Arthur Xie Friday, November 16, 2012 2:53 AM

Reply:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:36:30 +0000, ttwinsf wrote:

but for business usage the Surface with Windows Rx?is not a managable (central configuration, remote wipe, duplication of emal addresses, etc..) computer and for personal usage it failes to?support pop3 accounst.? These are serious flaws ith the software implementation.

Without addressing all of your issues, the Surface and WindowsRT are not
designed as a business device or a business OS. They are both aimed
squarely at consumers.

The Surface Pro and Windows 8 Professional/Enterprise are the business
oriented versions.


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Terminal:  What most people have to be before consenting to see a doctor.


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Reply:

Paul,

I do not understand how the Surface and WindowsRT are designed "squarely" at consumers.  If that is case, why is exchange an option for mail accounts?  How many people do you know who buy an exchange server strickly for personal use?  It seems there is business component to the design of the Surface and WindowsRt.  Also, if the Surface is designed for the consumer, where is the pop3 mail account handling?

Reguardless of the audience for WindowsRT, there appears an implementation inconsistency with WindowsRT.  The Mail app synchronizes exchange mailbox subfolders, the Calendar app synchronizes exchange calendar subfolders, but the People app does not synchronize with exchange contact subfolders. If the Exchange synchronization of these 3 apps is designed to present the remote user with a current "picture" of his exchange mailbox, I would expect each app to perform the same synchronization behavior for the mail, calendar, and contact folders within the mailbox. It appears there is a problem with the Contact app.  If this is not the case, could you please enlightment about the Exchange synchronization of the Surface and WindowsRt?

Thank you.


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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:14:27 +0000, ttwinsf wrote:

I do not understand how the Surface and WindowsRT are designed "squarely" at consumers.? If that is case, why is exchange an option for mail accounts?? How many people do you know who buy an exchange server strickly for personal use?? It seems there is business component to the design of the Surface and WindowsRt.? Also, if the Surface is designed for the consumer, where is the pop3 mail account handling?

Reguardless of the audience for WindowsRT, there appears an implementation inconsistency with?WindowsRT.? The Mail app synchronizes exchange mailbox subfolders, the Calendar app synchronizes exchange calendar subfolders, but the People app does not synchronize with exchange contact subfolders.?If the Exchange synchronization of these?3 apps is designed to?present the remote user with a current "picture" of his exchange mailbox, I would expect each app to perform the same synchronization behavior for the mail, calendar, and contact folders within the mailbox. It appears there is a problem with the Contact app.? If this is not the case, could you please enlightment about the Exchange synchronization of the Surface and WindowsRt?

One does not need an Exchange server running at home in order to require
synch with Exchange. There are a number of consumers for example who are
moving email to Office365.

Also, and not a lot of people are aware of this, but Ggmail uses ActiveSync
so it (ActiveSync) needs to be in the OS anyway and it isn't a big stretch
to add direct sync with Exchange since AtiveSync is already there.

I agree with you regarding POP3 though, to me that is a big miss.


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
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"All Programs" List from start menu loads slow first time

After I restart, or turn off-turn on my pc and go start -> all programs, win7 seems to hang for 7-10 seconds sometimes, then the list appears. After that first "load" of the programs list, it opens normally. I have indexed the start menu, as well as the rest of my drive. Any ideas about what might be causing this?
  • Changed type Arthur Xie Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:53 AM

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Do you have an application that is run from a network location listed in the list?

 

For example you have an application that relies on binaries to be located at \\servername\folder1\subfolder1 and you don't have access to that path, you may experience the 7 to 10 second hang as Windows tries to locate the executable.


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Reply:
Unfortunately, that is not the case. I haven't connected the computer to any other computers on the network, nor do I have any files referenced to another pc.

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When did your delay start?  Is this a recent occurance or something that has been going on since you installed Win7?

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Reply:
I've had exactly the same issue since installing windows 7.

'Start' button loads fine on first click but when highlighting 'all programs' it hangs my computer for approx 30-40 seconds, occasionally i get the 'windows explorer is not responding' message but usually goes away shortly afterwards - then works fine.

System tends to hint away from a hardware performance issue.

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Reply:

This is happening to me and started about two days ago. I never had a problem before the last major set of updates to Windows 7. As stated in the original post, this very slow display happens the very first time I open the "Start/All Programs" list and the very first time I open my Windows Explorer list to look at the files list. I completed several virus scans and found no problems, I ran the "Troubleshooting" module in Windows and found no problems, I ran the "Clean Disk" module and the "Defrag" module. I have not made any system changes that might have caused this on my end. Nothing seems to resolve the problem. Has something changed recently from a Windows update that could be causing the first load of Windows Explorer and the Program List to take about 10 seconds to load the file names? 

11/17/12 Follow-up

Because of the type of problem I was having, I definitely thought this was a Windows 7 problem and spent many hours researching possibilities, trying repairs and everything else I could think of to no avail. I finally gave up and decided to start from scratch, reload all my software, and test after each software load to determine what was causing the problem. Everything worked fine until I loaded and set stringency levels in my BitDefender antivirus software. That is when the problem occurred again. It turns out that even though I had been running my antivirus software at "aggressive" levels for years, BitDefender recently made a change and that change affected all the program and Windows Explorer lists on my computer. Once I reset my BitDefender levels back to "normal", everything worked okay and my Windows lists populated quickly again. I hope this might help someone in the future.

  • Edited by laurelvalley Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:25 PM

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Vista Snipping Tool

It would be very nice having direct printout functionality out of vista snipping tool.

  • Changed type JeniferA Friday, September 12, 2008 4:07 PM Comment, not question
  • Moved by Carey FrischMVP, Moderator Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:40 PM Moved to more appropriate forum catagory (From:Feedback and Comments)

Reply:
My Snipping tool has completely disappeared from my Vista system. Any help/ideas/pointers on how to get it back? Thanks so much in advance.

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Reply:
I have had this same thing happen. Tried the usual remedies...restore points, recopy .exe file to original location in Windows\Win32 but no joy.

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64 bit Internet Explorer 9 compatibility issue with McAfee SaaS Web Filtering

I tried Mcafee SaaS for a business that I work for and found that the web filtering option-protection does not work on 64 bit Internet Explorer 9 on Windows 7 Pro. It works great on 32 Bit browsers but if your clients want to restrict websites from users, this currently is not supported by McAfee. Now McAfee claims it does, but after weeks of back and forth support they finally admitted to it even though the sales person assured me that they did support it, it does not. So basically web filtering blocks all porn, gambling, facebook etc on the 32 bit browser but it doesn't take long for users to realize that the 64 bit IE9 has no blocks and is wide open to wherever they want to surf. This is a serious vulnerability in McAfee and threat to any business using it. Just wanted to pass this on.
  • Changed type Kevin Remde Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:22 PM He was just sharing some useful information
  • Moved by Guowen Su Tuesday, October 8, 2013 1:33 AM Knowledge sharing

how many types of servers required for sharepoint 2010 production?

how may types of servers we require for sharepoint protal deployment and its hardware and software requirements plz?

Phani kumar


Reply:

Hi there Pavani,

The hardware and software requirements for SharePoint 2013 is located here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc262485.aspx

In addition, I would study the article here that goes into detail concerning planning the SharePoint environment:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc261834.aspx

Hope this helps

G


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Reply:

Hi Geoff Evelyn,

Thanks for your quick reply...........!

Cheers,

phani kumar.


Phani kumar


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MS Press 70-680 Book: Nov 2012 Reprint

Hi Folks,

Microsoft Press has just published the November 2012 corrected reprint edition of their training kit for the 70-680 exam. If you have an older version of this book, following are the links to the corrections contained in this reprint.

Text Listing:

http://oreilly.com/catalog/errata.csp?isbn=9780735638747

PDF:

http://cdn.oreilly.com/oreilly/booksamplers/70-680-changepages.pdf

I hope you find this information useful.

James


Reply:
Thanks for sharing James

When you see answers and helpful posts, please click Vote As Helpful, Propose As Answer, and/or Mark As Answer

Jeff Wharton
MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCSD, MCITP, MCDBA
Blog: Mr. Wharty's Ramblings
Twitter: @Mr_Wharty
MC ID: Microsoft Transcript


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Reply:

Hi Mr. Wharty,

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

BTW, in just a few more reprints, the "infamous" MS Press 70-680 Training Kit could be virtually error free :-)

James


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Sinofsky leaves Microsoft

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57548751-75/controversial-windows-boss-steven-sinofsky-leaves-microsoft/


Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

  • Moved by Ronnie VernonMVP Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:38 AM Off Topic (From:Windows 8 General)

Reply:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:37:47 +0000, Drew1903 wrote:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57548751-75/controversial-windows-boss-steven-sinofsky-leaves-microsoft/

This news has already been posted and there is an existing thread on this
already.

http://social.Technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w8itprogeneral/thread/88fce1f4-2397-4955-9b61-de2f24dda617#88fce1f4-2397-4955-9b61-de2f24dda617


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Long computations that yield zero are probably all for naught.


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Reply:

There is no need to C/P the OP in your comment.  Would be appreciated if you would stay out of or away from threads if just unnecessary comments that do not reflect on or expand on or the topic of the or an OP.  Everyone will survive there being material on a subject in more than one article, even, w/out anyone bothering to mention that there may be more than one article on something.  People find things.    Thank you for your 1 & only contribution to the thread. 


Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


  • Edited by Drew1903 Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:20 PM

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Reply:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:10:42 +0000, Drew1903 wrote:

There is no need to C/P the OP in your comment.

That is because I use an NNTP client rather than the web UI to access these
forums and really isn't your decision to make here Drew. FWIW, I do not
copy and paste.


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
There must be more to life than compile-and-go.


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Reply:
Enough said. Please do not try to have another of your rants & destroy another thread for people.  We do not need more of you.  Just drop it, please.  Begging you, please don't bring grief in another thread.  Nobody made a "decision" so no such cracks, please.  You were merely told it was not necessary.  Now PLEASE, PLEASE, just go away.  Don't be a pain, again.  Nobody wants your stress.  Please this time just drop it & stay away, PLEASE.  Just please can't take any more of you.  Have a heart... Your no caring about the OP just PLEASE,PLEASE, this time, be quite.  Meant in the nicest way possible, just PLEASE don't bug me anymore, you can do it, really, just try, it's not so hard.  Ok, you don't C/P. Now just drop it... there's lots of other threads you can find, instead of bothering w/ this 1, any further.  PLEASE, be nice & leave it be.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


  • Edited by Drew1903 Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:31 PM

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Reply:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:26:19 +0000, Drew1903 wrote:

You were merely told it was not necessary.

And you get to make that decision why exactly?

FWIW, as you're so fond of pointing out, this entire thread is wasteful as
there is already an ongoing thread on this topic. There's no point at all
in duplicating the topic.


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.


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Reply:

Man oh man why do you have to be such an infuriating , obnoxious pain. Stay away from me.   OMG, you're such a schoolyard bully  Just bust your butt to be a pain.  Why can't you ever learn to shut up & go away & leave people alone when your not wanted & disliked?


Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


  • Edited by Drew1903 Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:35 PM

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Reply:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:34:30 +0000, Drew1903 wrote:

Man oh man why do you have to be such an infuriating , obnoxious pain.?Stay away from me.?? OMG, you're such a schoolyard bully? Just bust your butt to be a pain.

Right, I'm not the one that resorts to ad hominem attacks and name calling
and I'm the one in the wrong here?


Paul Adare
MVP - Forefront Identity Manager
http://www.identit.ca
To be, or not to be, those are the parameters.


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Reply:
Drop it, go away. Leave me & this thread alone.  Go bother someone else, PLEASE.  I can't take & should not have to take any more of you.  Go pester elsewhere PLEASE.  Just stop it, PLEASE!!!

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Reply:
Drop it, go away. Leave me & this thread alone.  Go bother someone else, PLEASE.  I can't take & should not have to take any more of you.  Go pester elsewhere PLEASE.  Just stop it, PLEASE!!!

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

Drew,

You are beyond rude.  Frankly, you're being a total jerk. Paul was being very nice and polite - and he is correct - there are other threads already created discussing this exact same topic. There was NO reason whatsoever to respond the way you did. You don't own these threads - no matter how badly you want to. If anyone needs to go away - it is you. You are a bully and are out of line.


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Has nothing to do w/ owning threads or wanting to, nor reason to ever try to make it into such an odd notion.  Nor w/ my being rude.  Just a simply a matter of being completely baffled why a person would bother to get in someone's hair or face when you know you've already disgusted, upset, pestered them, abused & destroy threads & they merely can't stand you, why would you out of your way to come around them.  He's gone out of his way to make me dislike him... would be nice if he'd talk to others & not me who has no use for the guy.

Obviously, I didn't know there was another article entered about this; there may be a few on the Net.  I am not a bully to anyone ever.  Everything from me has been in reaction to that guy.  After  what I took from him in the recent past I just wish, pray he'd leave me in peace.  He is NOT nice or polite.  Sorry, you don't see it & want to defend him.  That's what killed me wanting anything to do w/ the guy in the 1st place.  He created the bad feelings towards him & about him.  Has nothing to do w/ threads.  Sorry you  don't/won't understand.  Just odd to keep bothering someone who you've PO'd & can't stand you.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Drew,

From what I see...you are indeed being very rude to Paul in this thread. Whatever he did in another thread or in the past...Paul is doing NOTHING wrong in this one now. He is being very nice and simply telling you the forum rules...which you seem to continually want to break, and then demand we follow the fiefdom you created. Why don't you LISTEN to what Paul was trying to tell you rather than keep telling him to go away...because he has a valid point IMO...and you seem to continually get warned about these issues in almost every thread you post.


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Reply:
There is never any intent by me to break rules here or in any forum where I write or Moderate.  Nor is there any problem mentioning there is another similar article.  I just can't stand the guy so tough to get why someone would keep @ you when they know you can't stand them.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Reply:

I seem to have lost the thread somewhere.

Wasn't it supposed to be about Sinofsky?


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Reply:

I seem to have lost the thread somewhere.

Wasn't it supposed to be about Sinofsky?

Ah, yes Sinofsky.

Ding dong the witch is dead.


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Reply:
There was another article mentioned in another forum following the posting of this 1.  We had a wee chuckle over it.  Was written by someone who is a big fan of the retired 'start' stuff.  He had jumped on Sinofski's leaving as (conveniently) meaning, for him, that the old start stuff would be (now) put in Windows 8.  Not the least bit likely and the irony is it was his successor who was the driving force to Windows 8 UI & the retirement of the old start approach.  So, now, Sinofski's leaving would not impact of any of that, in such a way as to (now) see the old start stuff in Win8.  It's always cute or clever how people can use events to serve their own notions and extrapolate from that what (they say & will tell others) will be.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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I'm thinking that if Microsoft has the wherewithall to hire a smart techinical mind in for the position that there may be hope to bring them back on the straight and narrow yet.  But do we see any evidence that Ballmer thinks about the right things?  Or is he just another greedy, manipulative businessman without the desire for Microsoft to lead computing into the future?

Maybe this is a glimmer of hope.  Most computer users on the planet have used Windows for a while and can see where Windows 8 was going wrong, so there's some hope for the next person to do the right things.  But are there enough smart, talented engineers still working at Microsoft to turn this around?  We shall see.

 

-Noel


Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options


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Reply:

My cousin who works in Redmond, when he's not in Thailand or somewhere has no problem w/ Julie taking over.  But, since he has been reporting directly to her, his personal concern is more in regard to who will now fill what was her role.  A Team builds Windows OSs.  My take... Sinofski thought there was an 'i' in team.

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And IF I understand what 'SF' is getting at, at all... the point was that suggesting Sinofski's leaving would mean seeing Microsoft put old, retired start stuff in Windows... that's not going to happen.  It was just funny seeing an anti Win8 start/UI person authoring an article immediately jumping to trying to suggest such a thing or hypotenuse.


Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Reply:

Maybe they figure if 100 million or so people suggest that the OS division reconstitute the Windows 7 code base, merge in the 3 or 4 bugfixes they made since releasing Windows 7, then work forward, they might create a good Windows 9.  :-)

  

-Noel


Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options


  • Edited by Noel Carboni Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 PM better wording

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Reply:

Microsoft had better make a decision soon.

Noel wants to start on his next book


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Maybe, Noel, though, myself doubt we'll go back to the start of 95-Windows 7.  I, rightly or wrongly, think often negative 'press' (comments) regarding this 'start thing', the retired vs the Win8, are loud & garner a lot of notice.  It's hard to know how many actual persons, End Users are screaming 'problem'; certainly over time, maybe not so long, Win8 will settled into being accepted, understood mainstream.  The dust will settle & the din & rhetoric will die down.  After a time, be people new to computers or not, the shock of difference will pass.  It's hard to remember it now but, Windows 8 will get to be a 'familiar', a comfort zone.  To some group at some inevitable time, the masses won't be caring about when start changed (again) won't be on folks minds or tongues or paper.  Some won't even know it had ever been a point of controversy.

But, as for what may influence Windows 9 and beyond and how... que sera, sera   Will be interesting to see, that's for sure.


Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Honestly, all they really need are leaders who don't think it's their place to herd customers like sheep, but rather build better mousetraps instead.

 

-Noel


Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options


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Reply:

Lately, it's been "We're Microsoft - We'll tell you where to go today." What Microsoft needs is to reclaim their old vision of "We're Microsoft - Where do you want to go today?".


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There may have been more 'market research' than those who don't like the new & different UI know or realize, maybe.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Actually that nor whatever conclusion or implication you're making or suggesting is not in what was mentioned in regard to my cousin.  Was simply that his greatest pondering, @ the moment is who may be the new person he reports through as that will be what will most directly be in 'his world' for him going forward... we don't know who that will be right now., nor does he.  Nor am I getting any personal satisfaction or disappointment from Sinofski's leaving. The article is just sharing an interesting piece of news.  People will take out of it or attach to it whatever they may.

Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


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Market Research...  Grrr!

See, the problem with Market Research is that the lion's share of people have no idea what they really need a computer operating system for, and Market Research is actually quite difficult to do right.

If you just idly surveyed a bunch of people for what they really need in a car, and they answered off the tops of their heads, you might come up with a consensus that everyone needs a box they can step into, say where they want to go, and it would just deliver them to their destinaton.  A taxi, esentially.  If you then chose to use that research to build only taxis, claiming you're building things that the common person wants, your product wouldn't be at all what someone wanting to drive a high performance sports car around would want, now would it?

On the other hand, if you designed a high performance chassis, because it's the Right Thing to do, then optimized it for utility and economy, you'd end up with a functional but safe and efficient car that people would want.  Even though they may never drive it around a track, when they have to make a panic stop or swerve because of something unexpected it would just do it, without getting them into trouble.

People in general have NO IDEA what they need, and they often don't even know what they want.  You can't let the public design products!

Market Research, Telemetry, "Make it Simpler in the back of a taxi"...  All fluff that someone has tried to substitute in place of actual technical leadership and design innovation - presumably because those things are difficult.  What you get by paying any substantial amount of attention to that fluff is a product that is oversimplified, garish, anything but integrated, and not what is needed to advance the state of the art.

The common denominator amongst the unchallenged public is something like a Fisher-Price toy.

What makes a Great Product is when someone with Real Intelligence and Vision has an idea, cultivates it, talks it over with other intelligent people, and leads the development of the idea into reality. 

A Great Product is often more sophisticated than the person using it.

History has shown that businessmen do not usually have both technical savvy and the ability to make themselves rich at the same time.  It's the classic geeks vs. jocks conundrum.  Geeks (smart, technically minded folks) are needed to do things like design good software.  Jocks (popular, charismatic folks) are needed to build environments within which geeks can thrive, for the benefit of all.  Without the jocks the geeks tend to fail to organize big projects that produce results.  When the jocks try to exclude the geeks from the design work and profit sharing the result may be shiny but it doesn't really work.

-Noel


Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

  • Edited by Noel Carboni Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:26 PM

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PowerShell Management Agent 4 released

Just released version 4 of the Granfeldt PowerShell Management Agent. Delta Import support included.

http://blog.goverco.com/2012/11/powershell-management-agent-4-released.html


Regards, Soren Granfeldt
blog is at http://blog.goverco.com | twitter at https://twitter.com/#!/MrGranfeldt

Windows 8 Forums Account verification

How to get my account verify by Windows 8 Forums in order to be able to insert images on a current thread?
  • Changed type Nicholas Li Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:33 AM

Reply:
I would also like to know, it's ridiculous how long it takes. 

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Reply:

Hi,

To post images in thread, please try the following method:

Use SkyDrive to upload collected files and post screen shot/picture. (Updated: 1/16/2012)

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/4fc10639-02db-4665-993a-08d865088d65

Meanwhile, you may go to the Using Forums Forums for help

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/category/usingforums

Thanks.

Nicholas Li

TechNet Community Support


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Reply:
Hi Nicholas, thanks for your reply.  I did follow all your steps and I managed to insert the image into my Windows 8 Forum thread comments box, however when I click submit I still getting the same error message: "Body text cannot contain images or links until we are able to verify your account".  My problem still unsolved: how I can get my Windows 8 Forums account verified?

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Reply:
Hi Nicholas, thanks for your reply.  I did follow all your steps and I managed to insert the image into my Windows 8 Forum thread comments box, however when I click submit I still getting the same error message: "Body text cannot contain images or links until we are able to verify your account".  My problem still unsolved: how I can get my Windows 8 Forums account verified?

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Reply:

Hi,

Thanks for your response.

Please also visit Using Forums Forum for help.

Nicholas Li

TechNet Community Support


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Proxy Pac - Javascript problem

Hi all,

I manage a very complex infrastructure with about 4 proxy pacs deployed via GPO. Now i need to split internet/proxy access based in user location. The problem is that our LAN is not properly segmented (a lot of subnet mixing around the country) to proxy pac files analyze user location based on user network. I have to figure it out a solution based in javascript function like:

Proxy Pac files (some kind of possibilities):

- javascript function to detect dhcp server that computer has (this will give me user location and then i can redirect to specific proxy)

- ...

anyone knows if this is possible? any suggestions?

Kind regards,

LC


Luís Carmo

  • Changed type Kim Zhou Friday, November 16, 2012 9:42 AM

Add Features to Windows 8 goes away after adding Media Center

I just noticed that the "Add Features to Windows 8" option disappears after adding Windows Media Center to Windows 8 - it would probably be helpful if this button stuck around with a message that there aren't any more features to be added.

Reply:
I just noticed that the "Add Features to Windows 8" option disappears after adding Windows Media Center to Windows 8 - it would probably be helpful if this button stuck around with a message that there aren't any more features to be added.

Hi

This behavior is by design.

The Add features to Windows 8 has 2 functions.

If a user has a Windows 8 Basic install, that component can be used to Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and then to add the Media Center add-on.

Once both functions have been used, the component will be removed since it is no longer needed.

Regards


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