"Play Windows Startup sound" disabled, but it still sounds.

I went to the sounds options, unchecked the "Play Windows Startup sound", restarted and i got the windows startup sound.

Selected the "No Sounds" Scheme and restarted, still get the windows startup sound.

Drivers are properly installed, and using W7 x64.

Any ideas to disable the startup sound?

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Funny you should mention that, I completely forgot that it did that (usually have my speakers/headset turned off when I'm booting). I'm curious as well.

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The same here - I aimed to disable one particular sound (start navigation) but it is activated again after a reboot. When I did it again, it stayed mute. Just try again until it stays that way.

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For some reason even after restarting many times (re-enabling, re-disabling, and all kinds of combinations), the only sound that comes back is the Startup sound, all other sounds stay mute, the only way to keep it muted is to mute the speakers, but thats not the solution i'm looking for.

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Mysterious Error?

For some random reason, today one of my pcs in my house is giving me a BSOD after 2 minutes of time in Explorer (Give or take a minute) I was able to view the logs in event viewer, however nothing seemed to show up. All I have is the message that I get when the screen goes blue.

Here is what it says:

A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

Modification of system code or a critical data structure was detected.

If this is the first time you've seen this stop error screen, restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed. If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer for any windows updates you might need.

If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware or software. Disable the bios memory to remove or disable components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup options, and then select Safe Mode.

Technical information:

*** STOP: 0x00000109 (0xA3A039089576E9B1, 0x0000000000000000, 0x4EE577A0897512CE, 0x0000000000000101

Collecting data for crash dump ...

Initializing desk for crash dump ...

Beginning dump of physical memory,

Dumping physical memory to disk: (Gets random numbers. In the picture I took on my phone it was stopped at 85)

I am able to boot in safemode, and it seems like everything does work fine in there. Have been able to stay in safemode for over 5 mins no errors, so that is definitely good. Recommend anything? I was going to try and disable a few things on startup and see if that helps, but not sure whatelse would be good besides doing a system restore right away.

Any information would be awesome. I have not installed any new hardware or software, so not quite sure why this is just starting to appear.

Thanks everyone!

-Noop

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If your running fine in safe mode, that points towards a driver update or possibly a windows update, do you have windows update set to automatically download and install without telling you?

I have it set to inform me that theres new updates, but nothing more, this means i can set a restore point, make a note of whatever windows update wants to install, and install one at a time and check that it doesnt wreck performance.

I would be tempted to check the windows update history, and see if anything has been installed since just before you started getting the BSOD's and if so, try uninstalling it/them, and see if that resolves the issue. If it does then you have narrowed down, or (if it was only one update) found the cause of the problem.

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32 bit versus 64 bit experience index

I have on the same computer the window 7 beta operation system in both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions:

Hard drive #1---nothing and disconnected.

Hard drive #2---nothing and disconnected.

Hard drive #3---64 bit window 7 beta with clean install.

Hard drive #4---32 bit upgrade from Vista 32 bit ultimate.

I only have one hard drive connected at at time to test the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit operating systems

Window experience index from top to bottom is as follows:

32 bit: 7.4; 5.5; 7.9; 6.8; 5.9

64 bit: 7.4; 7.4; 7.9; 6.6; 6.0

Big improvment in memory operations per second, and slight improvment in disc data transfer rate.

Running Intel i7 920 cpu. Asus P6T board, one Sapphire ATI Radeon 4870 512MB GDDR5, 8 GB Patriot PVS34G1333LLK memory, Samsung SH-S223F 22x dvd, and four 500 GB Segate Barracuda ST350032OAS hard drives.

Also clean install was less than 1/2 hour while upgrade well over one hour. 64 bit found all my printer drivers while 32 bit found none with spooler error. Installed Kaspersky anti-virus window 7 beta on both systems.

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The higher memory score comes from the fact that the 64-bit version of WEI can access the full 8GB of RAM while the 32-bit version can only use 2GB of it, that is, the accessible memory size is an important factor in the score.

The *real* memory access (Read, Modify Write) performance however, is exactly the same in both cases.

Willy.

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32bit version uses 3.23GB

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True, the 32-bit OS has access to 4GB minus what is mapped into it by the HW(most notably the graphics adaptor), but, the 32-bit version of WEI, which is a user-mode application, can only access up to 2GB of virtual memory, and here, all of this 2GB of VM is available in RAM.

Willy.

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Please make Windows 7 Blu Ray capable out of the box

Very few of the current third Blu Ray players work consistantly well with Windows. Its a struggle to get Cyberlink Power DVD to work for many users. By the time Windows 7 is released I hope Blu Ray will be as second nature as popping a DVD in.

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Monday, February 2, 2009 9:23 AM

What you think about usability Network and Sharing Center?

I think that in Windows XP, it was simpler and more correct, if only because in the Network and Sharing Center at the top of the Internet connection. Why Windows developers believe that this is the only and most important thing? And if I need to connect multiple computers without the Internet.

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I like the idea of the "homegroup" if it would only work. Microsoft needs to simplify and get everything on one page instead of going here or there to make changes. Someone should not have to go on a goose hunt to make sure everything is set up correctly.

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I have only one computer and it wasn't clear to me how I should set things up. I have a DHCP- client error every 7 min. even after checking that I'm not sharing with anybody, but everything seems to be working fine and not too concerned about the error in event viewer as it doesn't show up in reliability monitor.

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I much prefer XP networking, being able to go to Network connection easily, getting there in Vista/7 is a pain. For a gamer that likes having 248 as the last digit in his IP, it's a royal pain. Also, when networks don't have DCHP setup, more digging.

Multiple network profiles that can be easily saved/loaded would be good.

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64- bit sound driver Intel 82801BA/Bam AC'97 Audio Driver

Hello,

the 32-bit version of this came down in Windows Up-Date, Where is the 64-bit version of this driver? I cant find it Anywhere? Not on Windows Up-Date or the Intel Web Site.

Thanks,

Terry_H

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Monday, February 2, 2009 9:26 AM

WHS

Hi,

Does anyone now why i cannot connect to my domain on my WHS?

I have added my https:/.........homeserver.com domain name to the trusted web sites, still i get an error message ffrom my browser. IE 8 Beta.

Changed type Mark L. Ferguson Thursday, February 5, 2009 8:53 PM no reply to suggestions

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Wild suggestion, can you try using Compatibility Mode in IE8? or try using an alternative browser?

I would also suggest to try pinging from your Win7 machine to your WHS machine and see if Win7 can see your WHS machine. Ping using the ......homeserver.com

Jabez Gan [MVP] - http://www.msblog.org

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Sound suddnely stopped working

I have been running Windows 7 for about a week now on my laptop (Lenevo T61) and so far have LOVED it!

I was playing Dexter thismonring, finihsed it, put my laptop to sleep. Tonight i went to watch scrubs, and couldnt get the sound to work, i tried restarting, nothing. Tried all the sound setting nothing... tired with head phones nothing..

Now my thinkvanatage volume controls have not been working properly with windows 7, the mutes not working, but the control up and down was....

Now before trying a different program (just windows media player) i stupidly diabled the sound hardware (with the intention of enabling it straight away again - im an IT consultant.,... we do this constantly at work.. never a problem (uisng windows nt though lol)) However, instead of just disabling it, its like windows doesnt recognise the hardware even being there anymore....

It just suddenly stopped.. and NEVER had a problem with it in the two years running vista

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Monday, February 2, 2009 9:27 AM

Taskbar preview suggestion

I like the taskbar so far, though there is one thing I think could be changed. With one window open for a program, clicking the taskbar icon brings up or minimizes the window like before. However when multiple windows of the same program are open (or multiple tabs in IE8), clicking the taskbar icon only brings up the preview thumbnails. I don't see the point of this function when mousing over the icon does the exact same thing. Instead, what I think would be more useful would be if clicking the icon would minimize or bring up all windows of that type. Sorry if this has already been brought up, I haven't had much luck with the forum search.

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I agree -- it's very annoying to not be able to minimze my ONLY Internet Explorer window from the taskbar, solely because it has more than one tab open.

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Yes! I hadn't thought of this but I think it's a really good point. Clicking the taskbar button no longer minimises anything that has multiple tabs or windows. Instead it just duplicates the hover function.

I really hope Microsoft pick this one up. May I suggest you use the Send Feedback facility as well?

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Ya I sent the same suggestion using that feature.

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Catalyst driver crash in windowed 3D games

I found a pretty specific driver crash. I'm using a Radeon 3870, and found that its drivers would crash in Windows 7 when running a windowed 3D game with antialiasing or anisotropic filtering turned on. Don't know if it's a driver related problem or a Windows 7 bug, so I'm reposting verbatim what I submitted to ATI:

Running Windows 7 build 7000 x64. Bug occurs using both the latest Catalyst drivers for Vista and [the prerelease drivers available from Windows Update].

Start Team Fortress 2 (or any Orange Box engine game) with the -noborder option. Change video settings to run in a window instead of full screen. Also turn on either antialiasing or anisotropic filtering. (In my tests, I also had all other video options set to maximum, except for motion blur, HDR, and vsync which were off.) Start a game, and the display drivers should crash within a few seconds of displaying a 3D scene, and will keep crashing/recovering until both AA and AF are disabled ingame. Occasionally, hl2.exe will crash entirely with the error "engine error : failed to lock vertex buffer in CmeshDX8::LockVertexBuffer"

The game will run fine in a window if both AA and AF are turned off. The game runs fine fullscreen with any video settings, as well.

Does anyone else get this on different hardware, or in different games? I unfortunately don't have any other 3D games that have the option of running windowed, so I can't test further.

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Monday, February 2, 2009 9:31 AM Unanswerable

Add all basic Ethernet/Network; wired/wireless drivers on install disk: Update other hardware drivers on 1st auto-update

Edited by brookedow Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:49 AM

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Windows XP and Vista never had any problems installing default network drivers, so I'm assuming the current abbarent behaviour of the Windows 7 beta installation is just an omission on Microsoft's behalf. I don't see any reason why the final build (or a future beta) of Windows 7 wouldn't be able to install default network drivers like usual.

Shipping a 'new, fresh and easy-to-use' OS in 2009/2010 without instant network functionality is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Admittedly, the stakes are very high as this time around everything has to work right out of the box. It also seems like a logical explanation as to why the beta is already this damn good.

Edited by Frop Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:58 PM

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I agree completely.

There's going to be a lot of unhappy customers if the experiences of rank and file computer users parallel my experiences of the past several weeks: unsuccessfully trying to install Windows 7 four times, trying work-arounds, Vista drivers, a PCI Ethernet controller card, and several other efforts, as well as the pains of having to redo the machine after it got messed up due to the onboard Ethernet and the one I added conflicted, there's going to be a lot of very unhappy people. Drivers have GOT to be present.

Let it also be said that as angry as folks have been about Vista (rightly or wrongly) - so much so that many buyers wanted to go BACK to XP - Microsoft would be well advised not to force those XP owners to migrate to Windows 7 through Vista. It's just bad form. Microsoft should design the migration to be compatible with an upgrade directly from XP OR Vista. Even if they get Windows 7 right, there's so many people angry with MIcrosoft for Vista's failings that there will be no tolerance for an unsuccessful upgrade.

Let it be said that I am rooting for Microsoft on this one. There's so much they've improved and done right here. Being cheap on the details at this point and making it hard for people and businesses to upgrade will only marginalize Microsoft into oblivion, and push Apple and Linux into the spotlight.

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BUG: Unable to go into Sleep

I have an NVIDIA 8800GT card with the driver updated via Windows update and I can't go into Sleep. Now I don't know the restrictions either, but When I click the Sleep button (or actually text), the screen dims a bit then lights back up with nothing else happening :-/

Changed type Mark L. Ferguson Monday, January 19, 2009 8:21 PM

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I can get into sleep mode just fine with my 8600GT. Try the latest drivers from the nVidia site and make sure you have no background applications running that require CPU cycles.

~Alex T.~Windows Desktop Experience MVP~

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The lastest drivers are for Vista from NVIDIA's site. The latest for Windows 7 are available via Windows Update, NVIDIA says that. I have no applciations running in the background except what Windows 7 has by default.

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I tried thoe WDDM 1.1 drivers and they seemed buggy to me. I installed the latest driver for Vista 180.20 drivers and since i have not had a issue.

~Alex T.~Windows Desktop Experience MVP~

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I have the problem with those that I have very bad FPS in games and generally any 3D applciation.

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Wikie,

I have the same graphics card as you and was having the same problems... It turned out to be my Network Adapter that was causing the problem and not the graphics card. My event log was showing an error when the OS tried to shutdown the power to the Network Adapter and so the computer wouldn't sleep. Go into Device Manager and select your Network Adapter. On the Power Management tab check "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" and Uncheck "Allow this device to wake the computer". You should also check your event logs for errors.

Hope this helps,

SirTazOfMania

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Win 7 Beta-Monitor goes to sleep upon reboot

Confirmed........when I have Windows Vista running and choose "restart" monitor will not turn off/go to sleep

When I am in Windows 7 Beta and I choose "restart" monitor goes to sleep and it will not fix itself until I turn off/on the monitor completely

I went in under Power Options but not sure if it affects during reboot or not

Any ideas whats going on?

Thanks

Notifications do not follow the UX Guidelines

The tray notifications, such as "The color scheme has been changed to Windows 7 Basic" do not follow the UX guidelines of their display time. For example, I launched an application that cause Aero to turn off, and got the notification about it.

The notification bubble stays there until I dismiss it by clicking it's X button -- but according to Microsoft's UX guidelines, that bubble should go away after 7 seconds because it's not critical to me (the user) and will not result in failure of my task if I ignore it.

I don't like having to contstantly dismiss these, I want them to just go away after a few seconds. Just like your UX guidelines tell you.

Not permitted to submit Feedback?

Got Windows 7 all installed and set up, although with an expiration date of July 1 rather than August 1 (maybe because I used Technet Plus rather than wait for the public download?)

However, when I try to "Send feedback...", I'm told "The given Live ID does not have permissions to submit bugs for the Connect form defined for Feedback Tool, or the service is unavailable."

This seems a little odd. I thought the entire point of the beta was to solicit feedback from a wider audience of testers in order to iron out bugs before release?

Changed type Mark L. Ferguson Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:01 AM

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It is to give feedback, but are you sure that you have activated the copy? If not some of the components may be turned off.

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Yes, I am activated and "genuine".

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You might want to register on Connect then maybe that could help.
https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx

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Already did that too.

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try asking for a new product key and reactivating Windows 7 with that. that may fix your issue. also you may have a different build number than us...

Or just try downloading and upgrading to the lastest build of Windows 7.....
I sometimes run into issueswith outdated builds....

and by the way i'm not using the public beta either. My cousin's husband's cousin works for microsoft so at times I just get the betas of microsoft products sent to me, i don't even have to sign up for them and wait for them like the damned public...

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I downloaded from TechNet rather than from the public web site, but the build number is the same. I've tried both my Technet product key and the one I got from the public beta registration. No go.

I don't suppose anyone from Microsoft who happens to be reading these forums can shed some light on the issue?

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I have the same issue, although I got my copy from the MSDN subscription downloads page. It is Build 7000, has been activated and I have been to the Connect site to make sure I'm still good there.

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I've seen many, many posts on this issue and also blog articles. Since Microsoft plasters the "Send feedback" everywhere it is strage that they don't then want to accpet feedback.

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It is quite strange.

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yea it is

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Tuner driver will not install

I have a Vaio all-in-one PC (VGC-LT16E) which has an AverMedia MCS10 mini-PCI TV tuner card built in. I installed the Win7 beta (32 bit) clean and no drivers were present for the tuner card. I downloaded the Vista drivers from the Sony site and installed (drivers for this card are not available at the AverMedia site). During the installation an exception was thrown (no details provided) and the Windows toast said that no driver was available. The AverMedia setup program - or at least the Sony wrapper for the program - indicated success even though the driver did not correctly install.

Contacting AverMedia didn't help - they just said "it should work"

Any help would be appreciated.

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Monday, February 2, 2009 9:35 AM Unanswerable

Windows Notes Application - Sticky Note Gadget

As much as I like the new notes application of Windows 7, I do miss the sticky note gadget, since it launches automatically and on the desktop. There is no decent sticky note gadget, can anyone recommend one or is there a way to import the old gadget from vista?

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The new sticky note launches automatically for me.

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Did you put it in your autorun?

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No, I just launched it and left it on the desktop when I shutdown or log off.

Edited by Lead3 Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:04 AM more info

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The only issue that I have with win 7s sticky notes is that you cannot make it as small as a gadget. I also miss the sidebar where you were able to have many gadgets and scroll through them as pages using the small aeros on top of the sidebar

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(most) Windows Media Center Plugins don't work.

I tried

Maxdome
ZDF
SF (Schweizer Fernsehen / Swiss TV)
Tillate

and all make my media center crash.

Anyone else having more success using the extra content?

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DFX control panel not working in media player.

[IMG]http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/dmholt57/VEav.gif[/IMG]

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Can't "Unblock" Storage Drive to Edit/Save Files

Hi, when I installed the Windows 7 Beta, I created a separate partition on my main hard drive with my XP Installation so that I could dual boot the systems. I have a seperate internal hard drive, I have all my videos, documents, etc on. I tried disabling "Read Only" but I can't seem to edit a simple text file in Notepad. I tried going Right Click > Properties > Unblock. But that doesn't seem to really work.

I know this is a beta and most likely a bug, but I'm curious if anyone else has run into this and if there's a way to fix it?

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Have you tried taking ownership of the drive?

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How do you take ownership in Win7???

Windows 7 Beta - Build 7000 on Dell Inspiron 1501 ** some glitches with WIFI **

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It is easier to show than to describe. See screen recording below. The files does not show the UAC prompts, but you will get the message.

http://members.cox.net/darienhawk67/movies/Take_Ownership_in_Win7_v2.wmv

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Why can't Microsoft fix the Shutdown, Logoff and Restart?

You know everyone does nott have eyes like superman and can see so tiny? Isn't there a way to make this similar to xp when shutting, logging off or restarting the computer? I have had so many complaints from clients (and I agree myself) that it is just plain too small and colorless. Why can't you (yes i know we can make a script to place it on the desktop) just put an icon on the taskbar with different colors to do this?

I have had so many clients who accidently shutdown when they meant to logoff or, restart when they meant to shut down or worse accidently lock the computer and were lost on what to do.

I give free seminars on the "good and bad of vista" and "how to keep your computer safe" and you know one of the main complaints are these.

Not everyone especially a layman can make a script or knows even how to make a script to put this on their desktop to do this.

Please Microsoft not everyone who buys a computer is an IT person, and believe me I have come across so many that are and hate it themelves, including myself.

Robin

Changed type Ronnie VernonMVP Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:50 PM Unanswerable

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Unfortunately it's an impossible to have a single solution that pleases everyone - so it's largely a question of what will appeal to most.

I'd generalize and say a large button on the taskbar (for a relatively, compared to other activities, infrequent task) would displease more than help due to lost screen space. If someone feels they need a taskbar button to do that, they can do that. However, do remember you can just easily use the physical buttons on devices to accomplish things like shut down (and this is configurable to do other things).

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No thanks, I'd rather it stayed as it is. If you're clients can't manage to shut a computer down without pressing the wrong button, should they really be using PCs?

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Skimble19 said:

No thanks, I'd rather it stayed as it is. If you're clients can't manage to shut a computer down without pressing the wrong button, should they really be using PCs?

oh come on- the young generation is not the only ones using computers you know. and i am not asking for it to be huge, just about the size of a small icon. If the user wants to make it bigger they have the option to do this. With it being in the start menu it is just too small and too close to each other.

robin

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If you or your clients cannot read the button why don't you just lower the resolution of your monitor?
But it would be nice to have the option to set the size of the buttons.

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starcomusa30273 said:

If you or your clients cannot read the button why don't you just lower the resolution of your monitor?
But it would be nice to have the option to set the size of the buttons.

if you lower the resolution then some things do not site right on the taskbar and when you bring up ie parts of it do not show and some monitors do not like when you lower the resolution when it should be a certain one.

I just want another option for this- make it even a microsoft gadget (not a third party one because some of them do not work right). This at least gives those the option to put it on their desktop if wanted.

robin

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I absolutely agree. Windows XP had it right and that style should at least be optional. Once I remove all the stuff I don't use from the start menu, there is plenty of leftover space for it anyway-- wouldn't lose any screen real estate at all.

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I agree that the "arrow" button is a bit too small. Seems that the old red power button icon would be a good change for the "arrow" too. There also seems to be plenty of space in that area to make it much bigger too. I think this is a great idea.

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quick and dirty example:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3195341496_ac81cea77f.jpg

Again, just quick and dirty, maybe a bit too big. I was aiming for the same size as the taskbar buttons. It does seem odd to me that the entire start menu and task bar has large easy to click buttons, but the shut down button is so tiny in comparison to the rest.

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Here is a link to Vista Forums for instructions on how to make a shutdown shortcut for the desktop. Check out Related Links for other shortcuts.

This method also works in Windows 7.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/76841-shutdown-shortcut.html

Mark

Edit: I don't know why it didn't come out as a link but it will work if you copy and paste it in your browser.

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markcynt said:

i know you can do it via a script (because I have on my clients vista computers) but most inexperienced people have no idea how to do this and it should be there on the desktop or on the start menu as an option for shut down, log off and restart. In fact in Nargg's picture if you clicked the icon he created it should popup with two more icon choices- restart and logoff, this still keeps it "neat" so you do not see all the choices lined up when you first look at it.

roibin

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For what it's worth, I've used XP installs in the past that had nice, big buttons in the quick launch area, and it got *really* annoying to find your computer shutting down (without even a confirmation prompt) when all you wanted to do was "Show desktop".

People rarely shut their computers down anymore -- they tend to stay on all the time and go to sleep or into hibernation of their own accord. This is an infrequently performed task, which is why the UI elements for it is (and should be) unobtrusive.

My suggestion would be that if you have clients who do need a big shiny button for shutting down their computer, simply add the shutdown script that was previously suggested, and put a link to that script somewhere easily accessible. You could even write a script or cmdlet to automate the setup of this.

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Here's another attempt at making the power button easier to see and access. Clicking on the orange button part would display the menu of options like the arrow button does.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents (2 posts?) worth :)

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There is a desktop gadget that may be what you are looking for:

Shutdown Gadget

I haven't tried it myself so I cannot say if it is any good.

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Change your text to a higher size if you can't see it. The new button is fine and simple with one click instead of two.

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I believe the TweakVista utility from Stardock will accomplish what you're looking for (I use or have used a fair few of the Stardock products so I'm not 100% certain this is the one, I'd have to check when I get home but it is one of them! heh. You get the choice of all three buttons to place as you please. I used it briefly and it was fun but I didn't keep it when I moved to Win7.

Cheers.

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I may be misunderstanding something here, but what about CTR+ALT+DEL? Quick access to locking the computer and logging off in large font text options. The button on the lower right hand provides quick access to shutting down. That leaves restarting, only accessible when hitting the arrow next to the shutdown button and readability may again be an issue, but if you shut down, you can easily restart with the hardware button.

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I completely disagree. The vista button was most definitely confusing to some as it would default to sleep instead of shutdown as we have become accustomed to.

The Windows 7 system is perfect. The one you want is plainly displayed in text with a context menu for the rest. No need for a large three button popup like XP. If you and the elderly are having problems reading a normal sized font, increase your text size. I would much rather have a text button like this then a big red unlabled button because it is "easy to see".

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thequinox said:

The Windows 7 system is perfect. The one you want is plainly displayed in text with a context menu for the rest. No need for a large three button popup like XP.

I do hope that you don't spell it wrong using speech in W7 and accidentally shutdown the machine. It happened to me today. I like the way it is, but a single click to shutdown and that button over there... I think it is too dangerous. I would agree the way server versions does... "Now write WHY you want to shutdown the computer... "...

If I was Microsoft, to shutdown the pc, you would have to write "pLeAsE SHUTdown This m@c1ne now!"! Or think of something else more dificult to power off. Grrrrrr!

Adelino Araujo

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Honestly I can see both sides of this argument. But looking at it there are a couple of things that could be done to improve things without using up any more screen real estate.

1) Remove the "shut down" button and replace the whole space used by it and the arrow for colored buttons that correspond to various tasks for power. When the user hovers over it a slick context tooltip opens up stating (in an adjustable font size) what the button does.

2) Allow the "shut down" button to be customized for the users most frequent task. I personally NEVER shut down my PC so the option to change it to a "Restart PC" Button would be nice.

Most of the other ideas would be too much of a change and honestly limit customizability.

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Cold_Realms said:

That is what is so great about the current implementation. You can change what the button says to whatever you currently use. Right click > Properties on the start menu, then change it under the start menu tab, it couldn't be simpler.

And I also don't think anyone would miss the button when trying to select the drop out arrow. Perhaps FPS games have honed my mousing skills...

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Goodness! Just create a shutdown and a restart icon on the desktop. Then pin it to the taskbar. It really isn't so hard, is it.

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can you help me on my thread?

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thequinox said:

Cold_Realms said:

Chock it up to me being blind (or lazy) Never noticed you can change that button behavior :)

Thanks Mate!

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Reply:

what I don't like abt the new shutdown button is I don't know what the key combination is for doing it without seeing the screen? why do I want to do that? occasionally, the screen gets corrupted -- bad video driver, misbehaving app -- and I need to shut down or restart without seeing the screen.

the odd thing abt the shutdown button is it seems contrary to the Vista/W7 way of having large, attention getting dialogs. when I click shutdown, I expect the screen to dim and see a large dialog with icons for all the options, similar to the dialog that lists apps still running when you shut down and asks whether you want to wait or force a shutdown.** instead, we get a little popup menu with all text and no icons? It's positively windows 3.1!

** I'm not necessarily saying that's the right way to do it. in fact, I have some problems with that. I'm just saying it's oddly inconsistent how it's handled.

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