Monday, February 21, 2022

Web interface without standards

Web interface without standards

In this day and age of:

  • many-millions (and growing) of tablet and mobile phone users
  • (mostly) standards compliant IE9
  • ever widening market for third-party browsers
  • highly capable APIs in HTML5

Please tell me that Microsoft is planning on updating the FIM portal to work with browsers other than Internet Explorer!  I'm not talking about resetting passwords; I want the vast majority of at least the user side to work outside of IE.  Management of groups membership, for example, should be available from most anywhere.  Why it's not is beyond my imagination.

If the Exchange web portal can be made (mostly) compatible with other browsers/systems, it's hard to believe that FIM simply cannot also be made for more universal use.


Reply:

First of all, I don't speak for Microsoft and I can't tell you what their plans are. 

In another thread I saw indications of a trend for consultants and customers to ignore the Portal and write their own custom front-ends that might make use of the FIM service but not the Portal.  I don't know how typical that is, but for those posessing good development capabilities and a desire to put some polish on the user interface it is not surprising.

Some of the difficulty with mobile is probably based on the fact that the Portal is built on Sharepoint, and Sharepoint by default has not been pleasant to use on mobile devices.  We ran into that when we first started experimenting with UAG as a way to access Sharepoint outside our institution's network.  UAG supposedly had a mobile-capable portal, but our mostly-vanilla Sharepoint sites were pretty much unusable from an iPhone and somewhat broken on an iPad.  The sites would have required customization to make them mobile-friendly.  That was a year ago, so maybe some updates have changed that.  I suspect future iterations of Sharepoint may follow the trend enabling BYOD.

In general, Microsoft's identity management offerings have always been platforms for development, not a polished, finished product ready for use.

Chris


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Failing to install Windows Management Framework 3.0 - RC

Hi,

I've got a Windows Server 2008 R2 (SP1) VM that I'm trying to install KB2506143 (Windows Management Framework 3.0 - RC) on, but so far all attempts have failed. I've got numerous other '08 R2 (SP1) machines - VM and physical - that have installed the update without any issues, but this particular machine is failing with the following error code:

0xd00000bb

Can anyone shed some light on this please? If you need any more information, please let me know.

Thanks!


Reply:

Hi,

Have you read all information in the download page:

System requirements

Supported operating systems: Windows 7 Service Pack 1, Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 2

Windows Management Framework 3.0 RC requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.0. You can install Microsoft .NET Framework 4.0 at: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=212547

In addition, the following requirements apply:

  1. To install  Windows PowerShell Integrated Scripting Environment (ISE) for Windows PowerShell 3.0 on computers running Windows Server 2008 R2 with Service Pack 1, before installing Windows Management Framework 3.0 RC, use Server Manager to add the optional Windows PowerShell ISE feature  to Windows PowerShell
  2. Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) on computers running Windows 7. To install SP1, go to http://windows.microsoft.com/installwindows7sp1

And please also make sure that you are using the right version of WMF 3.0:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=29939

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2012/06/02/windows-management-framework-3-0-rc-is-available-for-download.aspx

Regards,

Yan Li


Yan Li

TechNet Community Support


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Reply:

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback.

.NET 4.0 was already installed on the machine in question, but I ran a repair on it anyway. As it turns out the Powershell ISE feature wasn't installed, so I installed that and tried installing the update again and it's still failing with the same error code. 

It installs it, then prompts for a reboot. During the boot-up sequence it says something about the update failing and that it's reverting any changes. It then reboots again, and the update history and event log display this (very non-specific) error code.


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Reply:

Same problem.  I have all the pre-requisites in order.  Let me know if you come across a solution and I will do likewise.

-rm


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Reply:
Same problem here when I try to install KB2506143 (Windows Management Framework 3.0). It installs fine on all servers except two. After reboot a rollback is initiated because the install failed. These two servers are RO-DCs Windows 2008 R2 x64. These servers have .NET Framework 4.0 Client Profile and Extended installed.

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Our experience is identical. From what I've read on another forum, this seems to be a problem with all RODCs. 

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Microsoft pulled this patch today. It was causing other havoc with Exchange 2010 and 2007. Do not install this on anything for now. See, e.g., http://marc.info/?l=patchmanagement&m=135588298213669&w=2

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Creating site collection with + (plus sign) in url SharePoint 2013

Hi everybody,

I know this is silly but when I try to create a site collection with + (the plus sign) in url it fails and i get an error message.

The fact is the regex validation for the site collection creation form (for url field) doesn't say it's forbidden (but it says it's forbidden for / for example).

The side effect I have is I'm using Azure ACS and Live ID Identity provider. As live team didn't give the autorisation to Azure team to use e-mails addresses as nameidentifier, they generate a unique name identifier (like this dk87q1tb6clbjs02s7kwcjxzbuwqyqb2cbpkscux8ma=) to guarantee unicity of identifiers. (and also that it doesn't change with time).

But most of the time this identifier contains + sign. And when the user goes to my site host, his personal site collection creation fails because of this.

A hotfix to replace + by _ would be appreciated (it's done for name identifiers containing @ for example). Also it should fix the regex for the site collection creation form.

If there is any workaround it would be appreciated.

Thanks!


Cya


Reply:
See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905231 for a list of limitations when it comes to Site names (URLs), etc.

SharePoint - Nauplius Applications
Microsoft SharePoint Server MVP
MCITP: SharePoint Administrator 2010


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Reply:

Hi Trevor,

Thanks for your reply.

I know that + sign is forbidden in a SharePoint site URL and my point is more about these facts:

- The validation regex does not consider it and it should consider it

- There is a side effect with my site and Azure ACS + Live ID Identity provider

Thanks


Cya


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Microsoft Press 50% Discount Today

Hi Folks,

I just received an email from O'Reilly, the official distributor for Microsoft Press, saying that they're having a 50% discount off "the best of Microsoft Press" ebooks today only.

http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/best-of-msp-dotd.do

Although not every Microsoft Press ebook is included, the deal features dozens of their most popular titles such as new certification texts for Windows 8, Windows Server 2012, SQL Server 2012, and SharePoint 2013.

Simply use discount code MSDEAL at checkout. The offer expires December 18, 2012 at 11:59pm PT, and applies to ebooks only.

Since I've already exceeded my training budget for 2012 I won't be buying anything today, but I hope some of you can take advantage of this offer. Enjoy.

James


Reply:

Hi Folks,

Microsoft Press and O'Reilly have extended this 50% discount offer for one more day. This offer will now expire today, December 19, 2012 at 11:59pm PT.

James


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Reply:
Hi James....thanks for the information. but in that ebook how come there is only 1,2,4,5 chapters are there and 3 is missing...Im not sure if you can answer that....do you have any idea...pls let me know...

VT


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Reply:

Hi mywindows,

Thanks for your response. However, what ebook are you referring to? I think you forgot to mention it.

James


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Reply:
ooops its Exam Ref 70-410: Installing and Configuring Windows Server® 2012...

VT


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Reply:

Hi mywindows,

If you bought your ebook from O'Reilly, you will need to contact their customer service department directly. Here is the page with all their contact information:

http://shop.oreilly.com/category/customer-service.do

Their phone numbers are: 800.889.8969 (toll free) or 707.827.7019, and their email address is orders@oreilly.com.

O'Reilly provides good customer service, so I believe they should be able to resolve your issue quickly. Good luck.

James


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Reply:
Thanks James...

VT


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how can we call SQL XML Bulk Load dll in java ?

steps to access this dll in java and also steps to pass the required paramter details using java.

Please let me if any sample available.

Thanks in advance,

Kamesh Palani


Reply:

Dear Kamesh

this forum is not dedicated to Java

Let me know where to else to move it or delete this thread.


Arthur My Blog


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How to Remove a Package From Server Core for Windows Server 2008 R2

According to this MSDN page it is possible to remove packages from Server Core for Windows Server 2008 R2. My problems is that step 6 which is supposed to free the disk space is not working. For example this command:

dism /online /disable-feature /packagename:ServerStandardCoreEdition /featurename:Microsoft-Windows-IIS-WebServer-Core-Package

produces this error messsage:

An error occurred trying to open - ServerStandardCoreEdition Error: 0x80070057

Error: 87

Does anyone know the correct syntax to free the disk space?

  • Changed type Tim Quan Wednesday, May 4, 2011 3:19 AM

Reply:

Hi Michael,

 

Are you running Standard edition?

 

Tim Quan

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Reply:

Hi Tim,

yes, I am running the Standard edition. Is the syntax in step 6 correct? Did you try it?


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Reply:

Hi Michael,

 

I am afraid the command in the article is incorrect.

 

The correct command should be

 

dism /online /disable-feature /packagename: <CoreEditionPackage> /featurename: <NameToRemove>.

 

For example, dism /online /disable-feature /packagename: Microsoft-Windows-ServerEnterpriseCoreEdition~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.7600.16385 /featurename: Microsoft-Windows-IIS-WebServer-Core-Package

 

Tim Quan

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Reply:

Tim, thanks. But this is exactly the command in step 5. This command only disables the feature which means you can enable it again with dism.

However, the article says:

"Package removal is a one-way operation. After you remove a server role or feature, you cannot restore it. If you realize later that you need the server role or feature that you removed, you must reinstall the operating system."

I am looking for the command that does the "one-way operation", that is that removes the package not just disables it. The command in step 6 is supposed to do this.


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Reply:

Hi,

Thank you for posting this.

We are working on updating the MSDN article with accurate information.


Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support

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Reply:

Hi Michael,

It appears that the issue is that the package names in the code snippet on that page is an example of a specific package name used in Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Edition with an AMD 64 processor (the package name would be different if either the processor or OS version changed). So, for most users this would be an example package name (not the actual package name).
 
To find and use the actual package name, please do the following:
 
1.       After mounting an image to <mountpath>, you can run the following DISM command to return the packages names:
 
dism /image:<mountpath> /get-packages
 
2.       The full package names will be returned.  For example, you’ll see the foundation package name as a long string that includes Microsoft-Windows-Foundation-Package.
 
3.       For the /packagename: switch in the example command from the docs, you would want to pass the full package name for the package that you obtained in step 2.

Please let me know if this addresses the issue that you encountered when using this documentation.

Thank you,

Aaron Carey | Windows Embedded Documentation Team


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Reply:

Hi Aaron,

thanks for your post. I am aware of the fact that the package names are dependent on the processor and the OS version. I am looking for the command that actually removes a package from an online image (not a mounted offline image). Disabling a feature doesn't free disk space as the above mentioned MSDN article claims. Could you post a sample command with a valid package name that removes the package from the disk? 

Thanks,
Michael 


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Reply:

Hi Michael,

 

Here  are the steps for removing a package:

  1. In the \windows\servicing\packages directory, run the following command, after substituting *coreedition* with the name of the operating system edition:

Dir *coreedition*.mum /w 

  1. Copy the filename that is returned (but not the file extension):

For example: Microsoft-Windows-ServerEnterpriseCoreEdition~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.7100.0

  1. Run the following command:

Dism /online /get-features /packagename:  <core edition package>

  1. Next, run the following command:

Dism /online /disable-feature /packagename: <core edition package> /featurename: <filename from step two>

 

 

Note that you have to do steps 2-5 for all editions: Web, Standard, Enterprise, and Datacenter to see any difference in disk space. This is because of the ability to upgrade without supplying media: http://blogs.technet.com/b/server_core/archive/2009/10/14/upgrading-windows-server-2008-r2-without-media.aspx

As long as you can still upgrade to a higher level edition, the package needs to be there or removed from all editions.

 

Thanks,

 

Aaron Carey | Windows Embedded Documentation Team


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Reply:

Aaron, thanks for instructions. I am unsure if I understood everything correctly. Especially the last step is unclear. What do you mean with  <filename from step two>? Step 2 lists the package name, not a feature, right? Perhaps you meant the features of the output in step 3 instead? This would make more sense.

Here is an example how I did it:

1. dir *ServerStandardCoreEdition*.mum /w

2. Dism /online /get-features /packagename:Microsoft-Windows-ServerStandardCoreEdition~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.7600.16385

3. Dism /online /disable-feature /packagename:Microsoft-Windows-ServerStandardCoreEdition~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.7600.16385 /featurename:Microsoft-Windows-NetworkLoadBalancingHeadlessServer-Package

I repeated step 3 for all features of the package (with a script) and then repeated everything for the Web, Enterprise and Datacenter edition. There were no error messages.

Unfortunately, after rebooting I wasn't able to see any difference in disk space. Did you try this procedure yourself? If so, how much disk space did you gain? 

If this is not the correct procedure, can you please post a concrete example?

 


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I just came across this same thing on my core 2008r2, and I see after a year the MSDN page was not updated.  I am thinking there is no way to remove the packages to reclaim disk space, only the option to disable the package.  Perhaps we will never know.

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Move Linked Mailbox back to User account Forest

Forest A - Exchange 2010 
Forest B - Exchange 2007 

2-Way Forest trust and both forests have separate users in each forest. There are also some linked mailbox's in Forest B with the Master User Account in Forest A. 

A PowerShell script is set up for the GAL Sync, and each forest is able to see contacts for each organisation including contacts for the linked mailbox's. 

I am having trouble moving the Linked Mailbox from 2007 Forest back to the account forest. Do I need to use the Prepare-MoveRequest.ps1 script or can I do a straight move request? 

I have tried running both and I receive errors. I can provide the exact commands I am running after I get an understanding of the exact process I should be using to do this. 




Reply:
Anyone?

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Announcement: Windows 7 for College Students $29.99

Hi

See the following website for the official announcement and qualification details.

Student Offer for Windows 7 - Windows 7 Team Blog

<partial quote>
 

For a limited time, we are offering the LOWEST PRICE ($29.99 in the US) for Windows 7 exclusively to college and university students. This offer is perfect for students who are not planning to buy a new PC but want to experience all the benefits that Windows 7 will provide. To learn more about the offer and to check eligibility, students should visit www.Win741.com.

 

Students in the US can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 in the US starting today and students in the UK can pre-order their copy beginning on September 30th (pre-ordered copies will be available for download beginning October 22nd). Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Korea and Mexico can participate in this offer on October 22nd (Windows 7 GA).

Full Terms and Conditions for this offer


<partial quote>
"Promotion Duration: This offer commences at 12:00AM Central Daylight Savings Time on September 15th, 2009 and all purchases must be made via the Promotion web site by 11:59AM Central Standard Time on January 3rd, 2010 at which time the offer ends."


Hope this helps.

Thank You for using Windows 7


Ronnie Vernon MVP

Reply:
Back in August I downloaded Windows 7 RC, and I now have the RC version of Windows 7 Ultimate on my computer. However, this offer is specifically for Home Premium. Is it possible to activate my RC version of Windows 7 Ultimate with this Home Premium key, or will I need to purchase a copy of the Ultimate Edition?

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Back in August I downloaded Windows 7 RC, and I now have the RC version of Windows 7 Ultimate on my computer. However, this offer is specifically for Home Premium. Is it possible to activate my RC version of Windows 7 Ultimate with this Home Premium key, or will I need to purchase a copy of the Ultimate Edition?
Hi

The RC version can only be activated with a beta product key. Further, the RC starts expiring in March of 2010, this process cannot be stopped.

To keep using Windows 7, you will need to purchase a copy of Windows 7 and perform a clean install, or an In-place upgrade if you have a qualifying version of Windows Vista installed.

The Student offer includes Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional. It comes with a Retail Upgrade Product Key that can only be used to activate an upgrade copy of the specific version that you purchase.

Hope this helps.

Thank You for using Windows 7

Ronnie Vernon MVP


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Reply:
I would definitely use that option if it was available in Finland. My RC-eval will end in few months and I need to figure out what to do next. Why isnt this student-option available in European countries?

Too bad.

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Reply:
Hi

It is available in some European countries. From the first link I posted.

Students in the US can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 in the US starting today and students in the UK can pre-order their copy beginning on September 30th (pre-ordered copies will be available for download beginning October 22nd). Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Korea and Mexico can participate in this offer on October 22nd (Windows 7 GA).

I'm not sure what determines where these offers are will be available. You might want to keep an eye on that website, they could expand the list of countries and this promotion will be going on until at least the first part of January 2010.

Hope this helps.


Thank You for using Windows 7

Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:
And what if my computer is running Windos XP? This offer is an upgrade, and I won't be able to install Windows 7 upgrade from XP. Do you guys really believe that all students have Vista on their computers?

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Reply:
And what if my computer is running Windos XP? This offer is an upgrade, and I won't be able to install Windows 7 upgrade from XP. Do you guys really believe that all students have Vista on their computers?
Hi

Windows XP is a qualifying version of Windows taht allows you to use the upgrade version of Windows 7. 

You will need to back up all of the important files and perform a Custom (clean) install.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
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Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:
Is this sale gonna be available for other countries?For example for Turkey etc...?
NT

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Reply:
Is this sale gonna be available for other countries?For example for Turkey etc...?
NT

Hi NT

Please see the links in my first post.

Thanks,

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Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:
Hi, I just wanted to enquire about the Windows 7 student offer.

I've read through the FAQ's and Terms of Service, and still have a few questions:

- Does the purchase allow me to install Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition on a computer currently running Vista Home Premium 32-bit? I understand that there is no "In-place" upgrade, but upon reading the TOS I noticed that the download was called a "Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Upgrade". I just want to make sure that this "upgrade" version will allow me to clean install windows 7 on my pc.

FYI, the version of Vista I have installed currently came pre-installed with no disc, and I was not given an activation code; will this affect the scenario outlined above?

- Will the version purchased through this offer be available to download again if, say, my computer died and the only solution was to reinstall windows from the disc? Would I have to buy the backup DVD for an additional £9? If so, would this disc come with Windows 7 64-bit and 32-bit like the retail version in case I decided to switch?

Ok, that's all I can think of at the moment; thanks for reading and I hope to hear from you soon (so I can go and hopefully take advantage of this great offer!).

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Reply:
Hi Joe

I see you have already been helped in your other thread.

Enjoy Windows 7. :)

Regards,

Thank You for using Windows 7

Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:
Hi Ronnie,

Forgive me if this issue has already been assessed, but I was wondering if I was qualified for the $30 upgrade using my Macbook Pro? Using Mac's Bootcamp utility, I have set up a dual partition with my laptop and I have Windows 7 RC installed as my Windows partition. I have no other version of Windows on my Mac aside from the RC, so would I still qualify for this $30 upgrade? Thanks in advance, I look forward to enjoying more of Windows 7!

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Reply:
You know if you can sell it to students for this price, there should be a way to sell it Seniors for the same price 65 and older

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Reply:
Just to prepare everyone, I ordered a Windows 7 DVD and did not get it until yesterday, November 13th! Digital River has some major issues. 

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Reply:
Hi,

I'm a little confused with the student promo, I have Windows XP home 32-bit. Can I upgrade to Windows 7 Professional 64-bit?

Also, my girlfriend, a student as well, wants to upgrade from Windows XP Professional 64-bit to Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.

Last, do I have to buy the bootable disc to do a clean install? Is it possible to download the file, burn it to a DVD or transfer it to a bootable USB, and then do a clean install on my computer?

Thanks,
Connor

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Reply:
Hi,

I'm a little confused with the student promo, I have Windows XP home 32-bit. Can I upgrade to Windows 7 Professional 64-bit?

Also, my girlfriend, a student as well, wants to upgrade from Windows XP Professional 64-bit to Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.

Last, do I have to buy the bootable disc to do a clean install? Is it possible to download the file, burn it to a DVD or transfer it to a bootable USB, and then do a clean install on my computer?

Thanks,
Connor
Hi Connor

You can upgrade from any version of Windows XP to any version of Windows 7 32-bit or 64-bit. This will require a clean install be performed.

Upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7

When you order the student offer you can specify either Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional. You can download the ISO file and create a bootable installation disk or a bootable USB memory stick. Microsoft has a neat tool that has a 4 step process to burn the ISO image.

Microsoft’s Official Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool – Download and Tutorial

Be sure that you ask specifically for the ISO download and specifically for the 64-bit version.

There is also an option to get a retail installation disc for a nominal charge.

Hope this helps.

Thank You for using Windows 7

Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:
I have just done a clean format on my hard-drive and there is nothing on it. If I purchase the Windows 7 Professional student package for $29.99 and burn the ISO, can I just pop it in and install Windows 7 Professional or does there have to be an existing instance of Windows present?

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Reply:

I think I may be having the same problem as Komp Juan. I currently have Vista Home Premium-32 bit on my computer and I downloaded the ISO version of the Windows 7-32bit student package. When I open the file and click the setup.exe, I get a message saying "The file 'autorun.dll' could not be loaded or is corrupt. Setup cannot continue. Error code is [0x7E].

Help please!


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Reply:
Phil,

Komp here. It looks like what you're experiencing is an error with your DVD drive. The computer is trying to start the disc automatically and, for some reason, it is unable. You should be able to go into the disc manually through "My Computer." As far as doing a clean install with the student upgrade deal, I have more information. For anyone interested, follow the link below...

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/31402-clean-install-upgrade-windows-7-version.html

WARNING:   Make sure that you have all the proper information you need if you are currently using a 32-bit version of Windows and wish to upgrade to Windows 7. Failure to take this precautionary measure will most likely result in some major issues.

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Reply:
Does this offer will be extended to Indian Universities/colleges any time soon? If yes, when and how I can track it?

Regards,
Ramesh

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Reply:
this offer works with professional version and not ultimate. it is still the best offer I found out their.

Olivier
Atlanta

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Reply:
Does this offer will be extended to Indian Universities/colleges any time soon? If yes, when and how I can track it?

Regards,
Ramesh
Hi Ramesh

You will need to contact Digital River Customer Support  to find out if they plan to extend that student offer to any other countries.

Hope this helps.


Thank You for using Windows 7

Ronnie Vernon MVP

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Reply:

Thanks for telling us this, especially about the Microsoft Office software that will be really useful for me on my Uni course (My first IT session on Monday, Programming Concepts, nice start :thumbsup:), I can get free software off my Uni, I think Dreamweaver might be one of them (don't know yet since I haven't been given a account to download the software) but I can't get the Office Software like Word, Powerpoint or Excel so £39 is great to get the full package.

Just a question about Windows 7, will it be a CD/DVD sent in the post or will it be a download?
Plus is it an Upgrade or the Full version?

http://www.schoolanduniversity.com/study-programs/education

I'm currently running Vista Home Premium on my laptop and do have the OEM disc so it's no problem if it messes up, but I will assume if I install Windows 7 it will mean I have to reinstall all my software again?


  • Edited by Kevinp2012 Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:40 AM

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Permission

Hi

I hope I can get some help on this from you experts.

We have windows server 2008 R2 server (data center) environment with 60 users. There is a shared folder where all users have access to that.
"Shared" (is the root shared folder) & there are many folder  under that.

"Shared" folder has Full Permision for "Every one" group. Folders under "Shared" is inheriting permission to sub folders. 

There is a one folder looks like below.

Shared\hei\uni1\reg
Shared\hei\uni2\reg
Shared\hei\uni3\reg  so on until uni150.    Also there are many other folders under each "uni(number)" folder.

I have a user group called "mak" & would like to give access users on "mak" only to "reg" folder at each uni(number) folder.

What is the best way of doing this rather than setting up individualy? Is there any 3rd party software i can use for this?

Many Thanks



Reply:

Hi,

I failed to find a solution with icacls. However I think it should be supported by using a script as the name of the subfolders (uni1-uni150) are consists. You could try to post a question to script forum to see if there is any solution:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/ITCG/threads


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Thanks I will do.

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Reply:

Net Thread created

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/ITCG/thread/7bf06222-c881-4df4-9d59-5531f727f8a3


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Two Windows suggestions

1. When you got a normal application window with minimize, maximize and close buttons, it's usually possible to move the whole frame around on the screen. But if you open a modal window, it's then usually only the child window that is movable, the parent window becomes stuck.
Fx. if you got fx. 4-5 applications open and one of them is some kind of editor, that has to do a large process and while it's doing that it opens up a modal window. By then you realize that you can't move or minimize its parent anymore. And if you cancel the process it will take a long time to rebuild.
- Suggestion: Possibility to move/minimize parent windows even with modal window opened.

2. To solve compatibility issues with applications on portable device it would be nice with a "windows portable application launcher" program that:
- Had a portable registry, so that when the portable device is plugged in, it would register all the portable applications with correct drive letter location in the system registry and unregister them again afterwards - even on a system failure. (Maybe a virtual registry).
- When a portable application is launched, would use symbolic links, so that all data saved to "my documents", "local application folder" etc are redirected to the portable device in relevant folder there.
- Before launching application, it would check system requirements and if necessarily first install "DirectX 9.0c", ".Net 3.5", ".Net 4.0", "Visual C++ redist", "PhysX" etc..


Reply:

Hi,


Thank you for your suggestion, you can also submit your thoughts via Windows 7 Feedback.


Thanks,


Vincent Wang
TechNet Community Support


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Reply:

Thanks for the reply.

I will do that.


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A warning against upgrading to visio 2013

Would like to give a fair warning to all of you working with modeling. Do not upgrade to 2013 without first researching the consequences. Making sure you can live with the changes that Microsoft have done to the Visio product with 2013.

And to clarify, I am not refering to menu changes or other graphical issues. But rather the issues with Visio 2013 losing the ability to be a modeling tool. Visio is now, in accordance to Microsoft, no longer a modeling.

"We are delivering a modern diagramming experience to everyone, but we are not building in modeling and conversion capabilities"

So before you decide to upgrade make sure the tool still fulfills your needs. Also when installing it you remove Visio 2010(Upgrade). Making you have to uninstall 2013 and re-install 2010, in the case you miss functionality you need. 

We got a document written in 2013 by an external party and got 2013 since we have that through MSDN. It upgraded nicely and at first we were shocked by the new layout. But that wasn't the main gripe, thats just a thing to get used to. But our main gripe was that basic UML object diagrams no longer were supported. And after some googling the conclusion is that it is a major shift in what Microsoft have decided Visio should represent.

Hopefully by writing this some of you wont walk in to the same "trap". 

For some it might be a great change and a wonderful upgrade. For others, like us, it is a dealbreaker and not useable at all. 

Best of luck out there and happy holidays!

  • Moved by Jaynet Zhang Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:07 AM Visio 2013 (From:Visio General Questions and Answers for IT Professionals)

Reply:

Hi,

For the UML features, please refer to the following link:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2259709


Jaynet Zhang
TechNet Community Support


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Windows 8 can't type in login because it freezes

I was using windows 8 fine, but after some reboots, I can't login with my user. A wallpaper with the hour appears and whenever I click the mouse or press a key it disappears and the login appears, but I can't type into the password textbox it just freezes, I can't even do Ctrl+Alt+Del. This is the second time it happens to me, the first I had to do a windows refresh, wich cost me a lot of productive time.

I'm using a macbook pro I don't know if it has relevance to the matter. 

Thanks in advance.


Reply:

I suspect the issue is related to incorrect driver. Please install the graphic card driver from manufacturer's website manually.


Niki Han
TechNet Community Support


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fixing ssrs report table column heading while scrolling is not working in reportviewer

Hi,

I want to fix the ssrs report table column headings while scrolling down in reportviewer. I have done setting like, Fixed Data= true, checking Repeat column headings while scrolling checkbox,.... but these settings are not working. Can you help me on this.

Regards,

Venkatesh

  • Changed type wenku Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM

Reply:

Hi,

Please do again by setting the FixedData property to True in Advanced Mode.  To get to Advanced Mode, click the down arrow on the grouping pane, select Advanced Mode, then select Details and check the properties there.

and take a look on this link:

http://sqlandthelike.blogspot.com.es/2009/06/fixed-headers-with-ssrs.html


Regards Avanish T


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Reply:

Hi,

I also did the same thing. i just clicked on Advanced mode in Column Group, and then in Row Group Side i set Fixed Data=true for first  top static. I'm using local report not server report and i'm displaying that local report in Reportviewer. Now also its not working....

Regards,

Venkatesh


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Reply:

Hi,

Thanks for your valueable information. Now i'm able to fix the column header. Befor wat i did wrong is, in reportviewer i kept   AsyncRendering="False" SizeToReportContent="True".

Now i changed that to,  AsyncRendering="True" SizeToReportContent="False" and Fixed Data=True... now it's working.

Thanks,

Venkatesh

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microsoft visio 2010

what is the meaning of u:R and d:R in microsoft Visio when we specify the relationship i.e. definig cardinality while creating the data model

Reply:

Hi,

Could you please give me the steps to reproduce the issue?


Jaynet Zhang
TechNet Community Support


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Erro 700

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Versão 0

Francisco Correia


  • Edited by atsoke Monday, December 17, 2012 10:06 PM
  • Changed type Leo Huang Monday, December 24, 2012 9:03 AM

Reply:

Hi,

In order to help you address the issue efficiently, please  don't post the issue twice. We would focus on solving the issue on this thread:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpronetworking/thread/96e0ad41-8465-4d94-93f2-fb18d95e043a

Thanks for your understanding.

Regards.


Spencer
TechNet Community Support


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Reply:

Hi ,


I notice you have posted this issue before. In order to avoid confusion and keep track of issue, I recommend to keep working with the previous thread as link below:


http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpronetworking/thread/96e0ad41-8465-4d94-93f2-fb18d95e043a


Regards,


Vincent Wang
TechNet Community Support


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How to Setup multi Site System Environment.

Hi All,

  If business want to spend money how do you setup? 

Current Setup:

 7  branch Office , 20 -Windows 2008/2003 Servers and  800-Windows 7 and XP Desktop, QNAP NAS for storage. 1000 users...

AS

  



Reply:

 If business want to spend money how do you setup? 

What's the business requirement ? 

Regards, Santosh

I do not represent the organisation I work for, all the opinions expressed here are my own.

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights.

Whenever you see a helpful reply, click on Alternate Text Vote As Helpful & click on Alternate Text Mark As Answer if a post answers your question.


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tell us the requirement what exactly you are looking for  as an Infrastructure I mean how many dc's, exchange server proxy serves .

http://www.arabitpro.com


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HI All,

 I got all  DC's are 2008 R2 but all file servers are 2003. Business need supper duper system setup. So i want to know, how you guys go mad with the money and spend for what? 

 Vmware

 Thin Client

 Sharepoint

 SCCM 

  SAN or NAS

 DFS 

Monitoring

???

AS


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How do I reduce line spacing for the "details" view of Win 7 Explorer

The change to the human interface for the Windows 7 Windows Explorer's detail view is a major step backward as it makes unwieldy maintenance of disks/folders containing many subfolders and files. 

Is there any approved way for a customer to modify his/her explorer file to reduce the line spacing for the detail view? 

I have converted my Vista computers to Windows 7, however I'm beginning to regret this move.

For productivity purposes, I will either revert to Vista (which became a rather stable system) or retain my Windows XP computers to support file maintenance. 

Are there any suitable third-party plug-in alternatives to Microsoft's Windows explorer that will solve this problem? 

Some people have suggested that this line spacing problem is associated with the ICON size.  I would be just as happy if you removed the file ICON completely and reduced the folder ICON to the barest minimum.

  • Changed type Carey FrischMVP Saturday, December 25, 2010 7:10 AM Comment Mode

Reply:

It is possible to correct MS' built-in productivity bottleneck by editing ExplorerFrame.dll (located in Windows\System32) to change view layout parameters.  This change is well outlined in:

Go Back Windows 7 Forums > Windows 7 help and support > Customization » possible to change list item height/spacing?


My thanks to the many contributers that researched and developed the fixes. 

Hopefully Microsoft will make these simple changes to Windows 7 Explorer a permanent enhancement.  Doing so will prevent many organizations that actually use their computers for real work from reverting to Vista or Windows XP to accomplish tasks that were previously simple.  Failure to address these small, but troubling glitches in the Windows 7 product is self distructive. 

 


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This registry tweak is actually for another option (disable autoarrange) in the explorer options but it also CHANGES THE LINE SPACING!!!!!

For XP line spacing to work the properties of the folder should be "General" and there should be no spaces in the name of the parent folder.

Go to http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/disable-auto-arrange-folders-windows-7/ and download 'disable-auto-arrange.zip'. This will add the option to disable autoarrange to your right click menu in explorer but something in the settings also changed my line spacing.

Back up your registry; there is an undo file included in case you want to remove it.


  • Edited by Jamesdensley Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:11 AM

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Where can i find SharePoint15 learning resources?

Where can i find SharePoint15 learning resources? And are there any virtual labs available for the same?

Thanks in advance


Reply:

There are currently not any public learning or training resources available on the next version of SharePoint, which is assumed to be known in various terms such as "SharePoint 15", "SharePoint vNext", or "SharePoint 2013. Microsoft has been working on the product behind closed doors since the release of SharePoint 2010 and has been fairly tight-lipped in publishing or allowing the publication of information about the platform. The main item I've seen Microsoft put out so far has been the SharePoint 15 SDK: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=28768

More information will be made available once Microsoft announces it, but for the time being most everything else out there is likely to be based on rumor and conjecture (if anyone outside of Microsoft has seen SharePoint 15, they've had to sign ironclad non-disclousure agreements that prohibit them from talking about it). Your best bet will be to keep an eye on the SharePoint Team's blog for new information on the platform: http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blog/Pages/default.aspx

John


MCITP and MCTS: SharePoint, Virtualization, Project Server 2007
My books on Amazon: The SharePoint 2010 Disaster Recovery Guide and The SharePoint 2007 Disaster Recovery Guide.
My blog: My Central Admin.


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Now Lot of resources available in MSDN and technet

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Microsoft Forefront TMG Malware Inspection Activation Issue

Hi,

I have currently installed the Forefront TMG 2010 application in my Organization. After installing the application i have noticed that the Malware Inspection License period was showing as "Evaluation".

So that i have looked into my agreement copy and found that the License Agreement Number were 8 numbers. 

But while i trying to enter those number in the specified column , it was giving error that only we can use 7 numbers for activating the Malware Inspection.

Could anyone help me regarding this . How to Activate . Also i have did some sort of R&D with the license number. That i have removed my first number and entered the remaining , it taken the license number and allowed me to change the date. But while i enter the license number by removing the last digit also its allowing me to enter the date.

Can anyone help me regarding this . 

1) How to activate my Malware Inspection using the eight digit number

2)After activating how to validate my activation. (At current all the updates were downloaded & installed )


-$aran-

How much RAM is usage is normal?

Hi everyone,

I'd be interested in how much RAM your Windows 7 systems use right after being booted, without any applications open. It'd be cool if we could collect some values from people.

Please do the following:
  1. (Re)boot your machine
  2. Without launching anything manually, press Ctrl-Shift-Esc to bring up the Windows Task Manager
  3. Click on the tab "Performance"
  4. Check the value next to the "Memory" indicator
  5. Post the value here

For me, 460 MB of RAM are used by Windows 7 without any applications running. Given that Windows 7 has been praised for being "lean", "light on hardware", etc. I'm not sure whether this is just my system or a general issue. (For comparison, on the same system, the value for XP is around 160 MB).

Reply:
Hello,

I use a small utility called Process Explorer, which is an improved version of windows Task Manager. Running 40 processes - including antivirus software - my system is on an average of 650 Mbs. Half than Vista. That's a good improvement!

Regards
W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm!

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Reckon, is that immediately after booting Windows, without having any applications open?

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Here you can see my RAM usage. My specs: C2D E4700, Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L, 2GiB RAM, 320GiB  HDD, ATI Radeon 3450 64Bit.

It's more stable than vista, which freezes so many times on this desktop, including win32k BSOD's.

On Windows 7 this not happen anymore!

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Thanks buber. So your Windows 7 eats 579 MB of RAM with almost no applications open.
I keep asking myself what needs so much more memory than XP here, which could do this in less than 200 MB. 

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Well you know Aero..Indexing...all the new features aren't exactly small in size...

Anyways, I think 460MB is pretty good...not that bad, eh?

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Well, I'm impressed with Windows 7 so far, running Aero smoothly, booting and shutting-down relatively quickly, so far so good!
 - apropo this thread, I'm getting 410MB with the PC idling (no apps).

Cheap DIY PC with
MSI K9N6GM motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4800+ 2.5Ghz
1 GB mem
Integrated Nvidia 6150SE video


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Reply:
"I keep asking myself what needs so much more memory than XP here, which could do this in less than 200 MB"

But XP *can't* do what Win7 does, you can't expect better visuals/functionality and still have the same memory footprint.

I think it's important to avoid numeric comparisons when dealing with new software because it is only one variable in the equation. Let your actual experience of the application tell you whether it's good or fast enough, not on numbers that can't be used for comparison.

I, for one, think that my RAM should always be at 100% usage no matter what I'm doing. I'd rather it be put to use instead of just sitting there. People talk about how they only use 2% of their ram at idle, but what's the point of owning the other 98%? For the same reason I think stuff like Folding @ Home and Prime95 are great.

The point is that Windows will get out of the way if you need that RAM (such as for a game). Vista improved significantly in this department and 7's memory management is even better.

Am I alone in feeling this way? What do you guys think?

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Reply:

I think we are forgetting one little detail here.
Windows memory usage and managment is dependent on how much memory you have installed and without knowing how much ram one has posting a message saying "My machine uses 400mb ram!" without saying how much ram are available makes this thread useless.

Sure, I have seen Vista use as little as 300mb ram but guess what?  that machine only had 512mb ram with shared graphics memory.

So.
Post your usage but include how much memory you have installed in your machine!

I have 8GB of ram in my machine and Win7 uses 839mb of that when it's done booting.
Vista x64 on the same machine used 1.9GB o.0


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Reply:
 
_jodo said:

Reckon, is that immediately after booting Windows, without having any applications open?

Yes it is. No other apps opened - gadgets, widgets or whatever - except Process Explorer.

My testing machine specs are in my signature.

Regards
W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm!

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for me it took ~500 Mb after instalation and them ~720 and it keep steady. running on dual core @ 1.8 (533 Mhz FSB) with 3 Gb of ram @ 667 Mhz

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Reply:
With Outlook, Google Chrome, Steam and IE open on vista my system chews 1.37. I'm DLing W7 now so I'll see how much mine gets reduced to.

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Reply:
I think the more ram you have the more it uses. However I assume that when you open a RAM instensive app. F.Ex a game. It should drop its usage as it doesn't have to show the desktop etc....In my case I have MPC open, FireFox, few taskbar things running and its using 1.36 of my 4Gb at present. 

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Reply:
Hi,

running in VMWare with 1GB RAM assigned it takes about 490MB with Kaspersky running.
On the one hand it feels still to much for small systems, on the other hand ram is cheap.

Would be interessting to know how much ram is consumed with a populated windows, e.g. Office, Visual Studio and stuff installed but not running.

Btw. in my VMWare its quiet unstable, i will test it on a real system later on.

CU
 

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Reply:
In theory, any sufficiently advanced operating system will eventually use all of your free RAM. And that makes sense. At some point, the free RAM will be used by disk cache, for example, in order to speed up disk access. But I guess you are asking what is the normal RAM usage used by applications and services, right? (not taking into account page cache and buffer cache).

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Reply:
The new Windows Aero user interface consumes more memory. The reason is that windows are now drawn by your graphics card as textures (that's why you don't see any more redrawing when moving windows around) and these texture can take a lot of RAM. If you have lots of RAM in your graphics card, most of these textures wll be stored in your graphics card's RAM but some of them will have to be stored in main RAM. Also, the new user interface code is bigger and more complex, and also requires additional processing power (translucency, blur) that might be offloaded to your graphics card entirely or require additional CPU cycles from your main processor.

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Reply:
Not having to display the desktop doesn't mean you can throw all the data away. That's not how modern operating systems works. You can potentially swap unneeded data out to disk, but I don't think you can't simply discard all the data out. Some data can be discarded (like memory pages comprised of code), but data and stack pages can't.

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This is an exercise in futility. Memory management is not about how much memory the OS is using at any given time. It would be easy to program an OS to page almost all of itself out to disk. This would actually slow down the OS considerably as it would be constantly accessing the disk. A modern OS manages the RAM so that the OS doesn't have to page to disk more often than needed. This means it caches frequently used data in RAM if there is RAM available. It will also load more of itself and running applications if RAM is available. We can go on until the cows come home talking about memory management algorithms but measuring how much RAM the OS is using for itself at any given moment doesn't tell you anything about how a system performs.

Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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Haven0 said: I think it's important to avoid numeric comparisons when dealing with new software because it is only one variable in the equation. Let your actual experience of the application tell you whether it's good or fast enough, not on numbers that can't be used for comparison.

Actual experience was what lead me to this question in the first place: I run a couple of Linux systems and an XP system, all on the same hardware with 1 GB of RAM and without pagefile (for valid reasons that I will not discuss here). While so far I never encountered low-RAM situations in my typical application (i.e.: testing websites in the browser, which can mean multiple browser windows open at once), I got a "low RAM" warning when I tested Windows 7 in the same scenario. So at least in my concrete usage scenario (1 GB of RAM, no pagefile, because I am running the systems off USB sticks), I see a huge real-world difference between XP and Windows 7. Since I generally tend to prefer hard facts (numbers) over general (fuzzy) feeling, I'd like to learn more about the subject.

Haven0 said: I, for one, think that my RAM should always be at 100% usage no matter what I'm doing. I'd rather it be put to use instead of just sitting there. 

Sure, but I'd prefer my RAM being used by the applications on my behalf, and not by tasks the operating system is doing on behalf of itself. 

It's an easy equation:
RAM available for useful applications = Total system RAM - RAM the OS uses for itself

Adding a pagefile into the equation just means that you don't hit hard RAM limits - but the system will slow down the more paging is necessary, so the equation above is still pretty much an adequate model.

Felipe Alfaro Solana said: I guess you are asking what is the normal RAM usage used by applications and services, right? (not taking into account page cache and buffer cache).

Correct. In the ideal world, the OS would take 1% of my computer's resources (mainly, CPU and RAM) for "housekeeping" (=OS) tasks, while leaving 99% available for the things that I actually want to do with the computer (e.g., decode streaming video, transcode a video,...). It's clear that we're not in the ideal world. But it appears that XP was closer to that ideal than Windows 7 is. 

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Kerry_Brown said: Memory management is not about how much memory the OS is using at any given time. 

The problem could indeed be rephrased as:
Memory management is about how much memory the OS leaves available for use by the applications, assuming no pagefile is present.

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_jodo said:

The problem could indeed be rephrased as:
Memory management is about how much memory the OS leaves available for use by the applications, assuming no pagefile is present.



I don't know of any current mainstream PC OS's (Windows, OS/X, Linux) that are designed to work without a paging system. You are trying to do something that is beyond the ordinary. Comparing your results to a larger audience isn't applicable. Running without a page file is counterproductive and silly for the vast majority of people. I'm not saying it isn't justified in your case. I'm saying your case is so different you can't compare it to others.

Performance is about using a computer system as a whole to get something done. Memory usage is one small part of the whole. For some specific tasks, such as your's, it may be very important. For the majority of PC users, with any current OS, once they have enough RAM, memory usage isn't really an important part of the equation. Things like IO speed, particularly for storage media and networking, become more important. Personally all of my computers, which run many different OS's, have 4GB or more and most run a 64 bit OS. RAM is the least expensive component of a computer. Installing enough to ensure that RAM is not a performance issue is cheap and easy.
Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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Reply:
"In theory, any sufficiently advanced operating system will eventually use all of your free RAM. And that makes sense. At some point, the free RAM will be used by disk cache, for example, in order to speed up disk access."

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at, but you phrased it much better!

There seem to be two philosophies at work here. Some people want the OS to completely manage all aspects of memory/hardware/cpu etc and, in a sense, "control" the entire user experience and applications.

There are other people who see the OS solely as a launching platform that has as little presence as possible.

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 It all depends how the Os uses the sysem memory, If one uses it like a resource it limits how much it uses and says I will only use if I HAVE TO. If another one uses it (almost) like cache it uses whats there. That being said it wont use over a certain percentage of whats there and if something like a game needs it  the os reduces the (cache). Its actually a much better system than simply not to ever use 90 percent of whats there. That is why I noticed Vista and windows 7 is much more snappy is because of that. With Xp and FSX I only used about 1.4 gigs of 3 gigs of ram that is huge waste, with Vista alone I used almost 1 gig and when FSX is launched I used about 2.5 gigs. On another machine with only 2 gigs of installed Ram it was only 1.5 gigs. It simply uses whats there instead of wasting 90 percent I like that.

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i decided to see how fast windows 7 was and instaled on a really old machine at home:

Atlhon XP 2400 overclocked to 207Mhz x 9.5 (originaly was 133Mhz)
1ghz of Ram
Geforce FX 5200 128Mb

I am so impressed! it seems so much faster than XP!! (maybe i just need a fresh install of XP..)

so i decided to take some ram out, just to see what would happen. right now i'm running it with 766Mb and it's still realy fast...

it using right now 485 Mb of ram and i have some programs open (firefox, msn messenger, some folders, and some other stuffs). this value didn't seem to change going from 1Gb to 766Mb of ram, it always around it.

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Reply:

This is a big misunderstanding since the early NT versions.
Commit charge (PF usage and other names in previos versions) is NOT a used memory. It may count used system DLLs 10 and even more times.
The commit charge value may highly depends of installed programs and DLL's aadded to system.
I think, 400-600 commited MBs are not enormous.


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Haven_Bartton said: There are other people who see the OS solely as a launching platform that has as little presence as possible.

I would definitely see myself in that camp. A read-only, locked down OS that just does its job reliably and otherwise goes out of the way. Especially, it should not keep my computer busy by doing self-maintenance tasks.

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Kerry_Brown said: I don't know of any current mainstream PC OS's (Windows, OS/X, Linux) that are designed to work without a paging system. You are trying to do something that is beyond the ordinary.

I'm just trying to make a point. Think of a pagefile like it was a mortgage. Sure it can help you if you don't have enough cash. But it doesn't change the fundamental economics. Cash you don't have you can't spend. If I have 1 GB of RAM and the system uses half of it for itself, then I have only half of my RAM left for the applications. If the OS used only 10% of my RAM, then I had 90% available for the applications. The fact that i can "get a RAM loan" from the "pagefile bank" doesn't change that.

By the way, every Linux Live CD I know of runs without a pagefile, and I haven't found one yet that complains about insufficient RAM on any of my 1GB machines.

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_jodo said: Think of a pagefile like it was a mortgage. Sure it can help you if you don't have enough cash. But it doesn't change the fundamental economics. Cash you don't have you can't spend.


It's impressible but not correct. First plan program may work better if backgroud programs are paged out to free memory for currently working program. And please note that pagefile is not the single place for paging out - system uses files with program code as a part of paging system too.

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For me it has been around 700Mb right after boot, of course that is counting Eset Smart Security v4 (Beta) that uses about 40Mb itself.

It's a great improvement over vista though.


My specs: Athlon64 x2 5600+, Asus AM2N, 2gb Kingston DDR2 800Mhz, MSI Nvidia 7600GT oc Vivo Edition, 2x 250 Gb Samsung SATA2 and 320 Gb Samsung SATA2 HDD's


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I paid good money for RAM, it better ALL BE USED!!!!

LOL!  Actually, as long as the programs run fine, I could care less.  In reality I do hope to see very little free ram (free, not available) at any given moment.  Windows since, version 3 could virtualize ram space, so why this is still a concern is just stupid.

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Correct. In the ideal world, the OS would take 1% of my computer's resources (mainly, CPU and RAM) for "housekeeping" (=OS) tasks, while leaving 99% available for the things that I actually want to do with the computer (e.g., decode streaming video, transcode a video,...). It's clear that we're not in the ideal world. But it appears that XP was closer to that ideal than Windows 7 is. 


Well in the ram usage.. the difference is that windows Xp is an Os designed for 6 year old hardware, Xp run with 128mb because 128mb was a lot in that time and to be hontes if oyu only had 128mb on xp it was really slow, now computers standar are 4gb or more an OS using less than 1gb for itself i think its really good, for ex. i have 3gb and 7 is only using 600mb which is really good, giving me 2.4gb for other things like games....

just my two Cents

Cheers!
Mexico City // My Pc: Dell XPS 410 - Pentium D @ 2.8ghz - 3gb DDR2 Ram - nvidia 8400Gs

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I run a AMD Phenom II 940 Quad Core with 8GB of RAM and mine is tagging 1397 out of 8190 on reboot, on my Vista box same exact build as this box, it uses 1875 out of 8190. I am using the All CPU Meter in my side bar to give those numbers not the Task Manager. All the Cores on my CPU are all ways at 0 except every few seconds 1 or 2 cores hit 1 then drop back to 0. In Vista they seem to run 1~3 constant across all 4 cores.

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I have 2.5 Gigs of RAM, and when I boot it uses 467MB out of 2.5 GB Not bad, on comparison with Vista on the same system used 890 MB on start up. I love Windows 7 so far, keep the awesomeness coming Microsoft.

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Hi everyone,

Just adding that my idle memory usage is between 870MB to ~1040MB.

Please note that I am using Windows 7 Beta (Build 7000) 64-bit and please see the specs of my machine below.

I'll post a screenshot of the resource meter when I get home, but the biggest memory usage award goes to svchost.exe (Local).

Thanks,

Henry

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Hello,

looking out there and reading a bit more about RAM usage, it might be helpful to read this post http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/12/15/continuing-our-discussion-on-performance.aspx about Performance and Windows 7, overall the paragraph about System Tunning.

Probably a new blog for most of us.

Regards.
W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm!

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Reckon,

Thanks for the blog link.  I LOVED the part about the Vistual C++ interface.  Cracks me up how preception is often wrong from reality to us humans.


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out of the box win 7 is using 400 mb of mem and 1% cpou usage at idle , this is  not bad . vista used over 800 .
x-900 cpu firegl 5600 cpu and 3 gb of ram . win 7 32

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 the RAm being used on my PC is about 530 and around 320 on windows classic theme =p

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without any extra software running, win7 x64 is utilizing around 700mb of memory... such a shame as to the speed of XP when i never used more than 1.25gb of ram when running top games and all my background services all at once

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I agree with ChobyMX.  4 GB of RAM is pretty common, so if the O/S is using around 1GB I think it is acceptable.

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Why are so many people comparing the RAM usage of Windows 7 to Vista? The real comparison is with XP. Clearly, we know by now that most users have not upgraded from XP to Vista. There may be many reasons for that, but one definitely is that Vista used more resources than XP, making the upgrade infeasible for many.

So when we are talking about performance and requirements, we should always measure Windows 7 against XP, since that's where users will be upgrading from (or not).

Statements like "new computers come with 4 GB of RAM and therefore it's okay for the system to eat 1 GB doing nothing" are ridiculous in my eyes.

I bought a computer 3 months ago and it came with 1 GB of RAM. On both XP and Ubuntu this is more than enough for the intended use (using the Internet, including web, videos, Skype, etc. on a MSI Wind netbook). With Windows 7, however, this is impossible without taking a "RAM loan" from the pagefile (which, by the way, not only means slower performance but also greatly reduced battery time since the hard disk can't go to sleep). 

So I guess despite the PR "Windows 7 is made for netbooks" (too) I will have to stay with XP and Linux if I want reasonable performance on this netbook.

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I bought this new desk top with Vista preloaded when Vista was new and it only had 1GB of RAM. There are slots to take 4GB RAM but I had to buy them myself after scans revealed excessive paging files.
I now have 3GB of RAM and this Vista system idles at over 1 GB of memory use and the paging file is still enormous!

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I have Win7-32bit installed on a workstation with 2GB and the resident OS footprint is just over 500MB right after I boot, preventing the launch of as many "features" and other such stuff, etc.  This is less than half the 1GB footprint Vista took on the same machine, so things have improved.  Vista-SP2 sits at around 730MB after booting up, and WinXP-SP3 takes 380MB after starting on the same machine.  The workstation has four front-loading hot-swap bays, so it's very easy for me to boot various OS flavors.

Overall, I consider Win7 an improvement over XP, what Vista should have been in the first place; essentially, Win7 is Vista-SP3 on a major diet, including resident memory requirements.

In general, I don't want an OS caching everything under the sun, trying to be everything for everybody, because that leads to 1GB bloat-ware like Vista.  Sure, the most often used kernal code should always be resident, but I don't want the OS trying to guess whatever else to cache or index or sort or whatever.  Disk is slow and I don't want to wait for stuff to page in and out when the OS guesses wrong.  I edit video in a large NLE package that performs best when as much RAM is free as possible, especially with larger projects with hours of video/audio footage and timelines to edit.  I want all that RAM dedicated to that app, which happens to do it's own caching-- NOT the operating system!

Enough said...



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whait a minute, i guess that x64 and 32 versions allocates different values of memory, lets differ them.

so i have x64 7, eating about 750Mb after boot, comparing to vista's 1Gb and more it sounds not bad. but comparing to XP x64 ~200-300mb....not so pretty....


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whait a minute, i guess that x64 and 32 versions allocates different values of memory, lets differ them.

so i have x64 7, eating about 750Mb after boot, comparing to vista's 1Gb and more it sounds not bad. but comparing to XP x64 ~200-300mb....not so pretty....


I know is hard to avoid any comparison with XP... but that OS was developed almost 10 years ago and that's a lot of time when talking about this technology. Today having more than 2 Gbs of RAM is quite easy, so I can't see any drawback using 750Mbs.

Regards
W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm! And now on my VAIO FE31M Laptop.

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whait a minute, i guess that x64 and 32 versions allocates different values of memory, lets differ them.

so i have x64 7, eating about 750Mb after boot, comparing to vista's 1Gb and more it sounds not bad. but comparing to XP x64 ~200-300mb....not so pretty....


I know is hard to avoid any comparison with XP... but that OS was developed almost 10 years ago and that's a lot of time when talking about this technology. Today having more than 2 Gbs of RAM is quite easy, so I can't see any drawback using 750Mbs.

Regards
W7 Beta running on an AMD Semprom 3200+ (1800Mhz) with 2 Gbs of RAM and a built-in Nvidia 6100 VGA, and mate, it runs like a charm! And now on my VAIO FE31M Laptop.




thats correct, having 4gb of dual-chanaled RAM(thats why i prefer x64 OS's), but there is never no too much perfomance and never too much free RAM.

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runing 8gb with windows 7 x64

boots up extreamly fast and is using between 800mb to 1gb at startup.

I will pull out memory to 4gb and 2gb to test performance to try to see what is a minimum that win7 will need.

I have the following specs

Phenom 2 940 BE
ASUS M3N-HT DELUXE
9600 GT
8GB OCZ SLI DUEL CHANNEL X4 2GB CHIPS
700W POWER SUPPLY

RUNNING WINDOWS 7, WINDOWS VISTA AND XP ON ONE MACHINE AND WINDOWS 7 IS THE MOST STABLE.

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700MB out of 4GBs or 20% running 70 processes including around 15 IE8 windows. pretty much memory is well managed in Windows 7 (Beta); they(microsoft) did a great job at it.


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Hi everyone,

I am running a Dual Core AMD Opteron Processor 165 1.80GHz, 3GB of RAM using Windows 7 Ultimate. At the moment i am running firfox, task Manager, and 4 widgets on my computer and i'm using on average 10% CPU, and an average of 897MB of RAM. The Commit Charge is on average 1171/6139 MB. is that fairly normal or not?

Thorne Blackhaven

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Hi everyone,

I am running a Dual Core AMD Opteron Processor 165 1.80GHz, 3GB of RAM using Windows 7 Ultimate. At the moment i am running firfox, task Manager, and 4 widgets on my computer and i'm using on average 10% CPU, and an average of 897MB of RAM. The Commit Charge is on average 1171/6139 MB. is that fairly normal or not?

Thorne Blackhaven

Hi again,

I also am running a NVIDIA GeForce 6200 Graphics Card with 256MB of "ON Board" Memery, i would think that would affect how much my system uses normally. I also rebooted and took a look at my useage right after boot-up and i'm using on average 1% of my CPU, and an average of 798MB out of my 3GB of RAM.

Win 7 Ultimate 32-bit, with a Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 at 1.80GHz Processor, 3GB of RAM.

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hi - first just some subjective indicators of my system responsiveness, because observations tend to be relative

Using windows 7 beta , my system boots from start windows to network device loaded : in 50 seconds

opening control panel for the first time is smooth and without any green progress bar appearing

Specifially consulting the informative resource monitor : memory , within task manager

after bootup

in use : 379MB

Modified: 82MB

standby : 307MB

free : 748MB

total installed  1536MiB (nominal), onboard video (home-office system) 16MB shared 256MB apeture

page file : 2800MB/2800MB  min/max fixed

2.8GHz 553MHz FSB, single-core celeron, ddr memory, dual-channel mode. SATA 1.5Gbps 10K raptor

Works exceptionally well for me , except not alot of free memory space - which is needed for launching new programs/processes

1.5GB of ram memory seemed smoother than 1GB, and allowed maximum video apeture setting,

I think 2GB will be most cost effective optimal for my home office usage

opening multible pages uses alot of ram/page file space

final thought - is not so much how much ram memory is used but how much slow page file is used (and also allowing for reasonable free space) - for at this time unkown to determine exactly (although rubber ducky system monitor gives a rough indication - I increased PF from XP era spec 1668MB to 2800MB based upon that real time usage evaluation source, just remember to configure scheduled utility updates if implimented, after first system reboot)

 

 


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Hi all,
I am answering to the first question Using Win 7 RC 64 Bits and 6 Go RAM,
Using what is said my used memory is 1.27 Gb.
Regards.
Guy

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Hi all -

if you're interested in more details: My memory usage (1 G total RAM, ohhh...) after booting is around 600-700 MB. After playing a game with the usual heavy requirements, it's about 300 MB. Now imagine! I'd say those values are a poor indicator for system performance. It's far more important what the OS does with the RAM it uses than how much it uses at any given moment.
Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

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I used the x64 RC1 with 2GB RAM:

RAM Usage at startup: around 700MB

Now I´ve upgraded to 4GB and it´s still the same system and no additional applications were installed:

RAM Usage at startup: around 850 - 900 MB

I´m a bit confused why win 7 uses more memory if you have more in your machine. ?!?


thanks for help

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Its using more because you have more.   Its designed that way. 

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Naddy69..... you are so right.... I am running 4x 2GB (8GB), 1066 Turbo PQI DIMMs, On A Gigabyte GA790 M\B with aAMD Phenon 9950Quad Core Black Edition (not over clocked) with about 4 TB of HDD Space and a ATI Radeon 4850 x2 (2GB)..... from boot I am running at around 900 Megs on Win7 X64 RC1...... WIndows VIsta Ulitmate X64...... cannot even get it running... build and then BSOD and reboot..... have been running Win7 RC1 since upping my RAM to 8GB........ rock on to October release!! 

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win 7 RC  using explorer browser with 6 tabs open + security applications running



total  15536MB pc3200 ddr dual channel enabled

in use about 800MB

cached about 750MB

free  zero

video aperture zero (using an emergency pci card at the moment, and yes the browser works well with 4MB video)

page file

2,800MB min/max fixed

my opinion - I would prefer some free space so will increase to 2GiB asap 



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From where did you get those values? All of them look strange.


Mobile AMD64 3000+, VIA Apollo K8T800 chipset, 1 G RAM, ATIRadeonMobility 9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

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I used the x64 RC1 with 2GB RAM:

RAM Usage at startup: around 700MB

Now I´ve upgraded to 4GB and it´s still the same system and no additional applications were installed:

RAM Usage at startup: around 850 - 900 MB

I´m a bit confused why win 7 uses more memory if you have more in your machine. ?!?


thanks for help

Its the Readyboost service that is forced on now thats what consumes that memory at startup. you can turn it off by deleting the 4 folders underneath the rdyboost service in the registry after that you will only consume about 300 to 400 megs of memory at startup


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According to Windows Task Manager, after I boot my (pared-down) Windows 7 RC in a virtual machine, no apps running:



-Noel

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Hi - everyone seems to have forgotten reserved shared memory used for a video device - this consumes ram memory as well and needs to be taken into account - latest drivers even for retro-age video devices allocate far more memory than for XP - with much better performance  
I have observed that with more installed ram memory, more shared memory is often allocated
My system using an old 6100 series nvidia onboard device now has about 700MiB of ram memory allocated using 2GiB total installed. At 1.5GiB total installed ram memory was about 500MiB shared
The default Windows 7 driver did not allocate any additional ram memory so was 128MiB as per display applet > adapter
but after upgrading the driver using windows update - unexpectedly a large shared memory was supported
Both Windows 7 and XP sp3 seems to run smoother using 2GiB installed ram memory rather than 1GiB and while 512GiB ram memory will work - system performance will be obviously denigrated

Windows manager in default configuration plays safe by always keeping alot of free space - like 30% - so that a large newly launched program or task will run quickly - even at the expense of running processes
If you have excess ram memory and run modest applications you can try configuring as per a server - which will use up almost all ram memory (not always works well but the trick is excessive installed ram memory so there is always some free space, memory manager will always page out a certain amount) 
Ie 8 uses alot of ram memory once multible browser Windows and tabs are opened - another reason for additional ram memory

As a result of my observations regardless of system specs for Windows 7,  I highly recommend installing maxium ram memory up to 3GiB for 32bit Windows
(4GiB if only 2 ram module slots) with 2GiB being minimum.
Give Windows a few sessions to reconfigure system management 

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This is an exercise in futility. Memory management is not about how much memory the OS is using at any given time. It would be easy to program an OS to page almost all of itself out to disk. This would actually slow down the OS considerably as it would be constantly accessing the disk. A modern OS manages the RAM so that the OS doesn't have to page to disk more often than needed. This means it caches frequently used data in RAM if there is RAM available. It will also load more of itself and running applications if RAM is available. We can go on until the cows come home talking about memory management algorithms but measuring how much RAM the OS is using for itself at any given moment doesn't tell you anything about how a system performs.

Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
I was wondering if anybody on this site besides me knew this. So many people showing their ignorance. That was a much better explanation than I could have given. It's amazing how many people like to buy ram upgrades but, they hate the idea of actually using it. They like to have gigs of memory but they want almost all of it to always remain unused. I have put windows 7 on high end quad cores and low powered netbooks with 512 MB to 1 GB, I upgraded an Acer Aspire one to two gigs and it's ram usage increased and it got faster. It always uses the appropriate amount for the system it's in.

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I have to run 1.28 gb RAM on Win7 Pro 64bit - I have a stock of 16gb of Ripjaw Memory/Ripjaw Ram

Is this around the normal amount you think?


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